Bill O'Reilly vs Curtly Ambrose

[kyear2]

Barry played 4 Tests matches over 2 months

Tiger played 27 Test matches over 14 years.

That's 6.75x Volume and 84x longevity.

He played 9 tests over 2 year, then WSC 8 years later

 

[capt_Luffy]

He played 9 tests over 2 year, then WSC 8 years later

He played 4 Tests over 2 months. Then 4 matches WSC later on

 

[the big bambino]

Ambrose's ability to dominate great batting line ups makes him cricket's best ever bowler imo.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Headley and Pollock also didn’t face anything as strong bowling attack compared to the batting line up Tiger bowled too. O’Reilly bowled to absurdly strong English batting lineup and was head and shoulders above anything any bowler did in the decade. To add to that O’Reilly was also by far and away consensus wise the best bowler in the history alongside Barnes for decades after his retirement. He really was the one that challenged The Mighty S.F Barnes for his throne of being the best bowler to ever walk this planet.

O’Reilly gave Bradman more than a battle. Considering how good his performances against Bradman and that absurdly strong batting lineup was, O’Reilly would have tore majority of the batting lineup of modern era apart. Plus ofc the batting lineup of any team of his time had there been as many matches of now.

I think it was Hutton who put it perfectly if he was choosing an all time cricket team to fight Mars, Tiger would be the first name in his team sheet.

Perfect example of Unyielding strength, Relentless dedication imho. One bowler to bowl for my life, one game and I’m taking Bill O’Reilly.

Don't necessarily disagree with anything you said but Headley never really faced any poor bowling during his prime. People say he faced 2nd England attacks but that was not the case in the series in England in 1933 and 1939 and he excelled in both. He faced Australia's first choice in 1930 as well. O'Reilly was everything you said but Headley was the WI batting during his time. Only Bradman has scored a higher proportion of their teams runs over their career than Headley (Lara is 3rd fwiw). Headley is arguably the most important WI cricketer ever.

 

[Coronis]

Don't necessarily disagree with anything you said but Headley never really faced any poor bowling during his prime. People say he faced 2nd England attacks but that was not the case in the series in England in 1933 and 1939 and he excelled in both. He faced Australia's first choice in 1930 as well. O'Reilly was everything you said but Headley was the WI batting during his time. Only Bradman has scored a higher proportion of their teams runs over their career than Headley (Lara is 3rd fwiw). Headley is arguably the most important WI cricketer ever.

He faced some pretty meh bowling at home.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

He faced some pretty meh bowling at home.

Meh bowling yeah but nothing worse than what his great contemporary faced vs RSA and India.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Meh bowling yeah but nothing worse than what his great contemporary faced vs RSA and India.

India had Amar Singh and Mohammad Nissar, 2 pacers who were considered as good as any of their era. 2nd String English bowling of 20 year old debutant Voce, 53 year old retiring Rhodes and a bunch of no names was significantly Worse.

 

[Johan]

I'll play the devil's advocate here a bit but in 1930, Wilfred Rhodes had taken 11 wickets @ 21.72 in just 3 innings against the touring Australian side and gotten a fifer, in 1926 he had gotten 13 wickets in 6 innings @ 17.38 against the Australian touring team. I don't think Rhodes was necessarily a great bowler by late 1920s or 1930, but definitely still a very good bowler.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

India had Amar Singh and Mohammad Nissar, 2 pacers who were considered as good as any of their era. 2nd String English bowling of 20 year old debutant Voce, 53 year old retiring Rhodes and a bunch of no names was significantly Worse.

India had two bowlers with so called reputations but dont kid yourself the attack was still "meh" and no better than what George faced at home. Headley also faced decent bowlers in 1935 such as Eric Hollies and Ken Farnes. Yeah that Hollies who dismissed Bradman for a duck in his last innings.

 

[sayon basak]

Yeah that Hollies who dismissed Bradman for a duck in his last innings.

That was only one dismissal. Don't think it's big enough to highlight in this context.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

That was only one dismissal. Don't think it's big enough to highlight in this context.

I know that but Hollies had just as much a reputation even outside of the Bradman stuff. And my overall point is, those India attacks Don and others faced were no better than the 2nd String English ones George faced at home.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

India had Amar Singh and Mohammad Nissar, 2 pacers who were considered as good as any of their era. 2nd String English bowling of 20 year old debutant Voce, 53 year old retiring Rhodes and a bunch of no names was significantly Worse.

Smh, Bradman didn't even faced any of the two Indian bowlers you mentioned.

 

[Coronis]

I know that but Hollies had just as much a reputation even outside of the Bradman stuff. And my overall point is, those India attacks Don and others faced were no better than the 2nd String English ones George faced at home.

Pretty sure as an unremarkable bowler who averaged 30 in his career and only played 3 of those Windies tests in 1935 before the war, he didn’t have that great a reputation lol. iirc that Bradman dismissal is all he’s remembered for.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Pretty sure as an unremarkable bowler who averaged 30 in his career and only played 3 of those Windies tests in 1935 before the war, he didn’t have that great a reputation lol. iirc that Bradman dismissal is all he’s remembered for.

Still doesn't change the fact that the English attacks George faced at home were no worse than what his great contemporary faced vs India and RSA. Nissar and Singh were mentioned but they weren't anything special but more importantly, Bradman didn't even faced them so that's moot.

 

[capt_Luffy]

India had two bowlers with so called reputations but dont kid yourself the attack was still "meh" and no better than what George faced at home. Headley also faced decent bowlers in 1935 such as Eric Hollies and Ken Farnes. Yeah that Hollies who dismissed Bradman for a duck in his last innings.

Still doesn't change the fact that the English attacks George faced at home were no worse than what his great contemporary faced vs India and RSA. Nissar and Singh were mentioned but they weren't anything special but more importantly, Bradman didn't even faced them so that's moot.

If you don't know of Amar Singh and Mohammad Nissar please shut the **** up.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

If you don't know of Amar Singh and Mohammad Nissar please shut the **** up.

I won't shut the fck up because you dont run this forum azzhole. Indias attack that Bradman faced was meh and he didn't face those two Indian 'stalwarts'. Happy now?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

India had Amar Singh and Mohammad Nissar, 2 pacers who were considered as good as any of their era. 2nd String English bowling of 20 year old debutant Voce, 53 year old retiring Rhodes and a bunch of no names was significantly Worse.

And your lazy azz mentioned Amar and Singh when I was discussing Bradman. Do some research, Bradman didn't even faced them. So the English teams Headleay faced at home were no worse than the Indian (or South african) attacks Bradman faced. Point still stands.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I won't shut the fck up because you dont run this forum azzhole. Indias attack that Bradman faced was meh and he didn't face those two Indian 'stalwarts'. Happy now?

And your lazy azz mentioned Amar and Singh when I was discussing Bradman. Do some research, Bradman didn't even faced them. So the English teams Headleay faced at home were no worse than the Indian (or South african) attacks Bradman faced. Point still stands.

I apologise for being rude.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I apologise for being rude.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Anyways, on point @Sliferxxxx , I thought you were comparing George to Wally, as yk, there's no point in a Bradman comparison. And Wally did played both Amar and Nissar. And ofcourse what rubbed me the wrong way was your dismissal of them with words like "not anything special" and "two bowlers with so called reputation", where you could had just said you don't know enough of them.