Better Batsman : Jadeja vs Imran

[govinda indian fan]

Tough

 

[Agonizingly Awkward]

I think the last series out Jadeja above him, none of the others have that level of sustained output

Flat tracks

 

[ma1978]

Sorry he scored a ton against the WI quartet in 1980. Also a ton in England and in India.

This is a bogus list. Are you just making stuff up now?

Sorry, AI screws me again. Honestly pretty dire of me. Not acceptable

 

[h_hurricane]

Jadeja's great series with the bat recently clearly takes him over Imran imo. Was close before this series.

Jadeja's away average is a good 4-5 runs higher than Imran. Way more consistent too overseas (a fifty plus score every 4 innings as against every 6 innings by Imran).

 

[Rob Wesley]

This 500+ series puts him above Imran.

Imran’s batting stats are highly inflated due to not outs which is also the case with Jadeja but Jadeja has more performances away from home with bat than Imran.

imran away avg with bat is 33(or 31). Jadeja is at 38.

 

[BazBall21]

Pretty even.

 

[Coronis]

Sorry, AI screws me again. Honestly pretty dire of me. Not acceptable

… seriously?

 

[Rob Wesley]

Jadeja seems to have struggled with bat on proper turning pitches where games are usually 200-220 shootout. In recent times, his home average has taken a toll due to the pitches. Otherwise, he is capable of averaging 40 at home with bat.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I think this series puts him over imran for me. I had them pretty even but he's played a ton of very important knocks overseas now. Even in the australia tour where he overall struggled he still made an excellent 70 odd to save a match.

 

[ma1978]

… seriously?

yeah I asked for list of Imran centuries and that’s what google came up with

 

[ankitj]

Sorry, AI screws me again. Honestly pretty dire of me. Not acceptable

Retire from this thread

 

[ma1978]

Retire from this thread

yeah that was pretty Anshul Khamboj of me

 

[subshakerz]

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How are you measuring it?

Dev has more runs, more tons, more 50+ scores, quality knocks against quality attack. RPI is not even 2 runs difference.

Is it just based on average?

For me, IK goes over Dev in consistency and Jadeja is over Dev/IK both in consistency by some margin.

Actual 50+ scores frequencies matters most to me from a lower order batsman and Jadeja is doing fantastic job with regularly scoring 50+ in all kinds of conditions. Jadeja is helping his team do well on tours and on hard to bat home grounds. He can score zero tons going forward but if he scores lots of 50+ scores in different conditions in future, I will put him over Botham as well.

Imran has a higher RPI and is more consistent than Dev. A 2 run RPI difference is notable in an entire career. It's a level ahead in batting quality for me.

I care more about century frequency than 50 frequency. It's the same standard I would put for a regular bat. If he isn't capable of scoring tons somewhat regularly I don't see him as the same quality.

It's pretty basic logic. If you are batting at no.6 you need to be capable of scoring longer knocks.

 

[subshakerz]

Sorry, AI screws me again. Honestly pretty dire of me. Not acceptable

It tells me you aren't that familiar with IKs batting career yet that doesn't stop you from making comments.

 

[subshakerz]

I think this series puts him over imran for me. I had them pretty even but he's played a ton of very important knocks overseas now. Even in the australia tour where he overall struggled he still made an excellent 70 odd to save a match.

Him over IK is fine. I will wait until Jadeja career is over before confirming that. However it's fair to say Jadeja lucks out by not having to play in SA while Imran had to face the WI in WI.

Jadeja over Botham no.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran averaged 36 in Aus where he was regularly facing Lillee, 35 in Eng, 67 in NZ with Hadlee and 40 in India.

The only country he suffered in was WI where he averaged 21.

Imran played overall a similar number of tests to Jadeja yet played 50 tests aways compared to 36 for Jadjeja.

I don't see how Jadeja gets to be seen as better away thanks to just Eng and Aus and with small samples in other countries like NZ, SL and SA.

 

[CricAddict]

the same Karachi where you denigrate the accomplishments of the truly great Miandad

It is England players>other SENA players>windies>SC players except India>>>>India players for Johan.

 

[Johan]

It is England players>other SENA players>windies>SC players except India>>>>India players for Johan.

Eh, England>~West Indies>Rest for my preference, though from SC I hold Kohli as a better Batsman than Miandad so definitely reckon India falls higher there than Pakistan

 

[Prince EWS]

the same Karachi where you denigrate the accomplishments of the truly great Miandad

We established yesterday that Karachi is in Queensland.

 

[GirthQuake]

Of the celebrated ARs from the 1970s/80s, Imran is the one whose batting numbers flatter his actual abilities. An extremely limited batter. Kapil and Botham were FAR more capable with higher gears against better attacks.

Jadeja obviously better than Imran.