Yeah they were great at not loosing the series rather than winning them.FWIW Kohli has a win-loss ratio of 2.35 and Smith has 1.89.
Still their away “not loosing the series” record is unmatched to this day since WI in 80s.
Yeah they were great at not loosing the series rather than winning them.FWIW Kohli has a win-loss ratio of 2.35 and Smith has 1.89.
You already agree with me that SA is better unless you changed your mind.It's like how u forget their drawn series at home when talking about Smith's SA.
So SA drew twice at home and lost twice to Australia in 9 years when they were unbeaten away. India have now lost away four times in 6 years, including a whitewash. Isnt India's gaps in their record worse?Despite this loss I would give the edge to India because of their home dominance. Smith's SA was good but they were too inconsistent at home: drawing against India and England and losing twice against Australia.
He said that with the qualifier that this Indian team is still playing and that SA team isn't, so it's unfair to judge a complete record vs an incomplete one.You already agree with me that SA is better unless you changed your mind.
We take home wins to be easier than away wins, and the continued harping on away records doesn't suddenly mean that the home records are invisible either. Can't have it both ways, especially when the playing conditions are so varied and different across countries and over the years.So SA drew twice at home and lost twice to Australia in 9 years when they were unbeaten away. India have now lost away four times in 6 years, including a whitewash. Isnt India's gaps in their record worse?
Take it like a champ and move on.This thread single handedly cost us the series and you utter ****s are still posting in it.
Shastri would have made zero difference. If India are losing because of a coach, then that doesn't speak well of Kohli as a captain.India will miss Shastri dearly. He was a legendary coach along with kirsten IMO. He was a risk taker and didn’t mind trying out new players even when fans including myself bitched and moaned about selections but turned out wrong ie. Shardul, Sundar, Axar etc.
Dravid might be too conservative. It will be interesting when team goes through transition under him. I don’t wanna judge him just yet but Shastri’s shoes are big to fill.
There are two ways to compare SA's Smith and Kohli's India. The first is to judge the merits by comparing their actual lineups. Most here agree that man-to-man SA are simply a superior lineup.We take home wins to be easier than away wins, and the continued harping on away records doesn't suddenly mean that the home records are invisible either. Can't have it both ways, especially when the playing conditions are so varied and different across countries and over the years.
I am not really sure who is making any excuses.. I just expressed the opinion that Shastri will be missed; nothing else.. We don’t even know how good/ bad of a coach Dravid is as it’s too early to judge.Shastri would have made zero difference. If India are losing because of a coach, then that doesn't speak well of Kohli as a captain.
India have no excuses. The same side toured in 2018, so they have experience, and then come back and lose to an inferior side.
They lost twice mainly to Mitchell Johnson who was in God-mode in 2009 and 2014.If winning away was a harder task for SA then why did they lose more at home than they did away, doesn't add up
Yeah, too early to judge Dravid. I think he will be more good than harm.I am not really sure who is making any excuses.. I just expressed the opinion that Shastri will be missed; nothing else.. We don’t even know how good/ bad of a coach Dravid is as it’s too early to judge.
You seem to have some personal issues regarding this topic. Every one of your post basically circles around how india couldn’t win against “this” SA side (whatever that means). Knock it off before it gets out of hand.
The only one making excuses and caveats as it pleases his bias here is saltshakerz. I think just about everyone here knows its what his game is here. He is here to put down India and Indian players. LIterally every post of his has this obvious agenda, esp. in this thread. If India beats a side, its coz that side are not good enough. If Smith's SA beat a side, they were the best ever. SA lose 2-0 in SL - its coz they are without their #1 opener and #1 allrounder in Smith and Kallis. India lost to SA 2-1 without their #1 opener and #1 allrounder, no it does not count. I dont understand why anyone would bother engaging with this obviously salty poster anymore.I am not really sure who is making any excuses.
I'm salty? Buddy, you are the one with a jibe against me virtually every post. I just don't care enough to respond back. :PThe only one making excuses and caveats as it pleases his bias here is saltshakerz. I think just about everyone here knows its what his game is here. He is here to put down India and Indian players. LIterally every post of his has this obvious agenda, esp. in this thread. If India beats a side, its coz that side are not good enough. If Smith's SA beat a side, they were the best ever. SA lose 2-0 in SL - its coz they are without their #1 opener and #1 allrounder in Smith and Kallis. India lost to SA 2-1 without their #1 opener and #1 allrounder, no it does not count. I dont understand why anyone would bother engaging with this obviously salty poster anymore.
As far as the topic goes, I already pointed out that SA did it for longer and that is the main reason I still have them above India. Strauss' England are lol option here given they were only around for like 3 years and got blanked in Pakistan amongst that. If India keep this up over the same 9 year period, then yes, it will be incredible. You also have to keep in mind the fact that the draw was a very real option in the CEO era pitches and it has not been so since 2016, especially when India have been touring.
Tbf if you spend enough time here you' find the this the last thing most Indian posters will do. The middle order being terrible is something Indian fans have cried out from the rooftops about for years, in fact often having to push back against other team's fans telling us we should be grateful how many proven class batsmen we have. As recently as the England tour you still had many non-Indian posters saying how Indian fans complain too much about the batting.The only point that has bothered me is how posters downplay or ignore their batting weaknesses overseas
Its not funny when you realize the fact that you started this thread and posted the most in this thread.It's funny you see me as the one with an agenda as opposed to the posters earlier in this thread hyping India to near Aus 2000/ WI 80s level.
I didnt.Its not funny when you realize the fact that you started this thread and posted the most in this thread.
And read my posts again and see where I did not call them out as obvious trolls. The same as you are.
It will be a great series in September hopefully.Tbf if you spend enough time here you' find the this the last thing most Indian posters will do. The middle order being terrible is something Indian fans have cried out from the rooftops about for years, in fact often having to push back against other team's fans telling us we should be grateful how many proven class batsmen we have. As recently as the England tour you still had many non-Indian posters saying how Indian fans complain too much about the batting.
The home record thing is fair enough but I think that's just a difference in philosophy. I still value that a lot although the way things are going I'm pretty sure Australia will give this Indian team a real hard time in September.