subshakerz
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You don't know that.
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Barry Richards and Dennis Lillee vs Sunil Gavaskar and Fred Trueman
- Thread starter Johan
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sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
But the thing is, you don't know either.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I am not claiming I know. I am saying if certain players admit that they were trying to intentionally harm bats, or it can be reasonably ascertained by circumstances, it is reprehensible.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If Thommo says something like he likes to see blood on the pitch, or frankly if a express pace bowler is consistently trying to bounce out tailend bats, yeah you basically are trying to hurt them.
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Ok.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
They chased 400+ just the last Game, and despite two of their batsmen getting retired hurt and declaring at 6 down, they pretty much matched WI 1st innings total. I highly doubt capability was the reason, or else Lloyd won't need to use that tactic.
Line and Length
International Coach
The interview with Fred Trueman posted by Johan on page 2 is interesting. He apparently didn't believe in bowling short to tail enders. In fact, at all levels in that era, there was an unwritten law that you didn't bowl short to fellow bowlers. Not to fellow quicks as you might get some of your own medicine. Not to slow bowlers as they were often 'bunnies'.
That has all changed in recent times. Partly because tail enders are, generally, more capable with a bat than in bygone times.
On a personal level, I rarely bowled bouncers though I recall one occasion late in my playing years. I was in my early 50s and playing in one of our lower grades. A young batsmen played and missed a few times and I shook my head at him. He responded with, "What's up with you grandad?"
"Right," I thought, "You asked for it." I charged in with evil intent but my attempted bouncer failed to get up. It struck the batsman in the backside as he turned his back and ducked.
"If you're scared of that, and I can't get more bounce we should both give the game away," I said. I kept my word - it was my last full season and I only played as a 'fill-in' after that.
That has all changed in recent times. Partly because tail enders are, generally, more capable with a bat than in bygone times.
On a personal level, I rarely bowled bouncers though I recall one occasion late in my playing years. I was in my early 50s and playing in one of our lower grades. A young batsmen played and missed a few times and I shook my head at him. He responded with, "What's up with you grandad?"
"Right," I thought, "You asked for it." I charged in with evil intent but my attempted bouncer failed to get up. It struck the batsman in the backside as he turned his back and ducked.
"If you're scared of that, and I can't get more bounce we should both give the game away," I said. I kept my word - it was my last full season and I only played as a 'fill-in' after that.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
So he became a pace bowler
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Weren't capable of handling short pitched bowling.
The previous match was also on a spinners pitch in Trinidad, the Queens Park Oval, this match on the faster, though not as fast as it was to become, Sabina Park.
This is why the idiotic arguments presented about desperation is just stupid. You choose horses for courses. What they subsequently did learn is that you just go with your best players.
I've heard defences from most here that Larwood did nothing wrong, no one ever speaks up about Lindwall and Miller employing the same tactics. But the West Indians wanted to hurt people, no they wanted to win the ****ing match and they saw a weakness they exploited.
DrWolverine
International Vice-Captain
This
If 5 batsmen are getting injured in one innings, it is not an issue of being incapable. How many times have we seen 5 batsmen get injured in a match?
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
GG. Bowling beamers isn't "exploiting weakness" last time I checked. Well actually no..... It definitely is. You see, an interesting distinction here really is, none of the other matches were lost just because most were retired/absent hurt. This one was.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
This is where the intellectual dishonesty kicks in.
Two batsmen didn't bat in the first innings because they were basically afraid. Official reason that they didn't want to injure their spinning fingers. But basically couldn't bat.
Three batsmen were indeed hurt, but the remaining two were injured while in the FiELD. They sustained their injuries fielding.
None of these I juries were sustained from beamers but legitimate deliveries.
The only thing you're honestly suggesting is that after the Windies realized that the Indians couldn't handle short pitched bowling is that they should have felt sorry for them and stopped, allowing them to win somehow, or giving them at least a better chance.
Since when was that ever done in cricket.
This argument is misleading, disingenuous and borderline malicious.
When you realise you have a team on the run, you press the advantage. Nave heard anyone say Lillee and Thompson should have eased up on us in '76.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Who condoned beamers? And which of the batsmen were hurt by beamers?
The narrative that they were consistent beamers is purely false.
I've said beamers isn't part of the game
Prince EWS
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shortpitched713
Cricketer Of The Year
It doesn't even matter.
Spirit of cricket is a bunch of pearl clutching.
Very few actual sociopaths, but ultimately it's okay to hit a batsman as it's within rules of the game, and when the're bowling a certain line and length they know it will happen. And it's an effective and winning strategy, unless you change the rules of the game.