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Australia ATG vs ROW XI - in Australia

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subshakerz said:
Will count for more now that the utter direness of away spinners is pretty clear in Australia.

Based on this, Mushtaq Ahmed's 18 wickets in the mid-nineties is the best performance by a spinner in a series in the country in history perhaps.
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Yeah. Just like I said, change the criteria from bowling average to something else to suit your theory and be happy ?
 
trundler

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It's a much of a muchness really. Any of those great spinners would do a decent job of holding down an end and keeping the pacers fresh. That appears to be the ceiling for a spinner in Oz. Definitely think you need one though especially because our side could be in the field for a long time against that Australian lineup. I'd favour Gibbs or Verity to contain scoring.
 
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trundler said:
It's a much of a muchness really. Any of those great spinners would do a decent job of holding down an end and keeping the pacers fresh. That appears to be the ceiling for a spinner in Oz. Definitely think you need one though especially because our side could be in the field for a long time against that Australian lineup. I'd favour Gibbs or Verity to contain scoring.
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Sobers can do that. Just play four pacers and let em rip.
 
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subshakerz

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trundler said:
A pacer can't bowl as many overs as quickly though. And he would still be much at worse at that role than Verity or Gibbs.
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You are facing the strongest batting lineup imaginable. You cant sacrifice the firepower of one of your four pacers for a holding job spinner. That's a defensive mindset.
 
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trundler said:
It's a much of a muchness really. Any of those great spinners would do a decent job of holding down an end and keeping the pacers fresh. That appears to be the ceiling for a spinner in Oz. Definitely think you need one though especially because our side could be in the field for a long time against that Australian lineup. I'd favour Gibbs or Verity to contain scoring.
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Barnes Surely.Also adds lot of variety in the attack.

Hadlee
Akram
Ambrose
Barnes
 
ankitj

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Australia's edge would be Bradman and Gilchrist. RoW's edge will be openers and top tier bowlers who could bat (Imran and Hadlee).
 
ankitj

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Let's do it.

Hobbs
Hutton
Richards
Tendulkar
Sobers
Sangakkara (+)
Imran (c)
Hadlee
Marshall
Muralitharan
Barnes
 
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subshakerz

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ankitj said:
Australia's edge would be Bradman and Gilchrist. RoW's edge will be openers and top tier bowlers who could bat (Imran and Hadlee).
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Gilly is neutralized if you pick ABD who is as good a bat.

Bradman is a big advantage, but ROW has better openers and lower order strength.

Warne is another big plus if they play in Sydney especially.
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut said:
Barnes Surely.Also adds lot of variety in the attack.

Hadlee
Akram
Ambrose
Barnes
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Eh, I'm not convinced averaging 21 pre-War is necessarily better than averaging 34 against Bradman. The gulf in quality makes any attempt at standardisation pointless too.
subshakerz said:
You are facing the strongest batting lineup imaginable. You cant sacrifice the firepower of one of your four pacers for a holding job spinner. That's a defensive mindset.
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4 pacers is overkill. The 4th pacer won't add any more value to the side. Plus, the spinners we are talking about would be able to take advantage of a turner or broken up wicket in a unique way. Gotta have all your bases covered
 
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trundler said:
Eh, I'm not convinced averaging 21 pre-War is necessarily better than averaging 34 against Bradman. The gulf in quality makes any attempt at standardisation pointless too.

4 pacers is overkill. The 4th pacer won't add any more value to the side. Plus, the spinners we are talking about would be able to take advantage of a turner or broken up wicket in a unique way. Gotta have all your bases covered
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Tell that to Clive Lloyd, a guy who knows a thing or two about winning in Australia.
 
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trundler said:
Eh, I'm not convinced averaging 21 pre-War is necessarily better than averaging 34 against Bradman. The gulf in quality makes any attempt at standardisation pointless too.
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Verity also didn’t get a shot in 1st and 2nd test,1936 in Uncovered wickets as Australia were knocked over before he could capitalize.
Though I do think Barnes is clearly a better bowler than Verity.
 
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