• Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.

    You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!

    If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Andy Roberts vs Allan Donald

Who is the better test bowler?

  • Roberts and it’s not close

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    16

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
It's close in the sense that if you replace one with the other I don't see them putting massively better stats, but the actual answer is never in doubt and I can't see myself ever deviating from Donald.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
It's close in the sense that if you replace one with the other I don't see them putting massively better stats, but the actual answer is never in doubt and I can't see myself ever deviating from Donald.
I respectfully disagree. Think Roberts is the best pacer I won't term an ATG, but he certainly is a bit over mythologised. Think there would be a difference in output over career, a considerable one at that.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
I respectfully disagree. Think Roberts is the best pacer I won't term an ATG, but he certainly is a bit over mythologised. Think there would be a difference in output over career, a considerable one at that.
If anything, I think he isn't mytholised enough compared to the other great pacemen of his time. Both Hall and Lillee are clearly more mythologised by a mile.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
If anything, I think he isn't mytholised enough compared to the other great pacemen of his time. Both Hall and Lillee are clearly more mythologised by a mile.
They are more but Roberts is a very solid 4th. I would argue he is pretty on par with Hall on being mythologised.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
Not overrated per say, but he clearly comes with a mystic air. I really like Roberts but his home record is lacking compared to his reputation.
That is kind of exactly why I think if he played in Donald's shoes in the vastly, vastly more pace productive 1990s South Africa rather than pre 1976 West Indies, his average would be a couple points lower.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
That is kind of exactly why I think if he played in Donald's shoes in the vastly, vastly more pace productive 1990s South Africa rather than pre 1976 West Indies, his average would be a couple points lower.
Maybe? Also had just a 9 year long career. I definitely think Donald would have done visibly better in his shoes at his home.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
Maybe? Also had just a 9 year long career. I definitely think Donald would have done visibly better in his shoes at his home.
Er, is that really much of a point? Donald is 11 years, Roberts is 10 years, granted the prior had some extraordinary reasons for the short career. I agree Donald would've done better but not by too much
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Er, is that really much of a point? Donald is 11 years, Roberts is 10 years. I agree Donald would've done better but not by too much
Donald debuted at 25, you and I both know the circumstances. I will agree with Trundler here, Donald is significantly closer to Ambrose than Roberts.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
Donald debuted at 25, you and I both know the circumstances. I will agree with Trundler here, Donald is significantly closer to Ambrose than Roberts.
In my list, Ambrose comes at 5, Donald at 12 and Roberts at 17 so I generally agree with that sentiment. Mostly don't like getting into potential early careers of either Donald or Lindwall.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
In my list, Ambrose comes at 5, Donald at 12 and Roberts at 17 so I generally agree with that sentiment. Mostly don't like getting into potential early careers of either Donald or Lindwall.
I will just say fining Sir Andy for longevity is fine but Donald isn't. Also Roberts at 17??? Show me the top 25.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
I will just say fining Sir Andy for longevity is fine but Donald isn't. Also Roberts at 17??? Show me the top 25.
marked those who can and do change time to time, and are volatile.

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Sydney Barnes
4. Richard Hadlee
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Dale Steyn
7. Imran Khan
8. Fred Trueman
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Wasim Akram*
11. Michael Holding*
12. Allan Donald*
13. Joel Garner*
14. Ray Lindwall
15. Jasprit Bumrah*
16. Alan Davidson
17. Andy Roberts
18. Courtney Walsh
19. Shaun Pollock
20. Pat Cummins*
21. James Anderson
22. Kagiso Rabada*
23. Keith Miller
24. Alec Bedser
25. William Johnston
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
marked those who can and do change time to time.

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Sydney Barnes
4. Richard Hadlee
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Dale Steyn
7. Imran Khan
8. Fred Trueman
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Wasim Akram
11. Michael Holding
12. Allan Donald*
13. Joel Garner
14. Ray Lindwall
15. Jasprit Bumrah*
16. Alan Davidson
17. Andy Roberts
18. Courtney Walsh
19. Shaun Pollock
20. Pat Cummins*
21. James Anderson
22. Kagiso Rabada
*
23. Keith Miller
24. Alec Bedser
25. William Johnston
Yeah, no
 

Top