Andy Roberts vs Allan Donald

[PlayerComparisons]

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[Johan]

It's close in the sense that if you replace one with the other I don't see them putting massively better stats, but the actual answer is never in doubt and I can't see myself ever deviating from Donald.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's close in the sense that if you replace one with the other I don't see them putting massively better stats, but the actual answer is never in doubt and I can't see myself ever deviating from Donald.

I respectfully disagree. Think Roberts is the best pacer I won't term an ATG, but he certainly is a bit over mythologised. Think there would be a difference in output over career, a considerable one at that.

 

[Johan]

I respectfully disagree. Think Roberts is the best pacer I won't term an ATG, but he certainly is a bit over mythologised. Think there would be a difference in output over career, a considerable one at that.

If anything, I think he isn't mytholised enough compared to the other great pacemen of his time. Both Hall and Lillee are clearly more mythologised by a mile.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If anything, I think he isn't mytholised enough compared to the other great pacemen of his time. Both Hall and Lillee are clearly more mythologised by a mile.

They are more but Roberts is a very solid 4th. I would argue he is pretty on par with Hall on being mythologised.

 

[Johan]

They are more but Roberts is a very solid 4th. I would argue he is pretty on par with Hall on being mythologised.

What about him do you find mythologised or even overrated?

 

[capt_Luffy]

What about him do you find mythologised or even overrated?

Not overrated per say, but he clearly comes with a mystic air. I really like Roberts but his home record is lacking compared to his reputation.

 

[Johan]

Not overrated per say, but he clearly comes with a mystic air. I really like Roberts but his home record is lacking compared to his reputation.

That is kind of exactly why I think if he played in Donald's shoes in the vastly, vastly more pace productive 1990s South Africa rather than pre 1976 West Indies, his average would be a couple points lower.

 

[capt_Luffy]

That is kind of exactly why I think if he played in Donald's shoes in the vastly, vastly more pace productive 1990s South Africa rather than pre 1976 West Indies, his average would be a couple points lower.

Maybe? Also had just a 9 year long career. I definitely think Donald would have done visibly better in his shoes at his home.

 

[trundler]

Donald is closer to Ambrose.

 

[Johan]

Maybe? Also had just a 9 year long career. I definitely think Donald would have done visibly better in his shoes at his home.

Er, is that really much of a point? Donald is 11 years, Roberts is 10 years, granted the prior had some extraordinary reasons for the short career. I agree Donald would've done better but not by too much

 

[capt_Luffy]

Er, is that really much of a point? Donald is 11 years, Roberts is 10 years. I agree Donald would've done better but not by too much

Donald debuted at 25, you and I both know the circumstances. I will agree with Trundler here, Donald is significantly closer to Ambrose than Roberts.

 

[Johan]

Donald debuted at 25, you and I both know the circumstances. I will agree with Trundler here, Donald is significantly closer to Ambrose than Roberts.

In my list, Ambrose comes at 5, Donald at 12 and Roberts at 17 so I generally agree with that sentiment. Mostly don't like getting into potential early careers of either Donald or Lindwall.

 

[capt_Luffy]

In my list, Ambrose comes at 5, Donald at 12 and Roberts at 17 so I generally agree with that sentiment. Mostly don't like getting into potential early careers of either Donald or Lindwall.

I will just say fining Sir Andy for longevity is fine but Donald isn't. Also Roberts at 17??? Show me the top 25.

 

[Johan]

I will just say fining Sir Andy for longevity is fine but Donald isn't. Also Roberts at 17??? Show me the top 25.

marked those who can and do change time to time, and are volatile.

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Sydney Barnes
4. Richard Hadlee
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Dale Steyn
7. Imran Khan
8. Fred Trueman
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Wasim Akram*
11. Michael Holding*
12. Allan Donald*
13. Joel Garner*
14. Ray Lindwall
15. Jasprit Bumrah*
16. Alan Davidson
17. Andy Roberts
18. Courtney Walsh
19. Shaun Pollock
20. Pat Cummins*
21. James Anderson
22. Kagiso Rabada*
23. Keith Miller
24. Alec Bedser
25. William Johnston

 

[capt_Luffy]

marked those who can and do change time to time.

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Sydney Barnes
4. Richard Hadlee
5. Curtly Ambrose
6. Dale Steyn
7. Imran Khan
8. Fred Trueman
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Wasim Akram
11. Michael Holding
12. Allan Donald*
13. Joel Garner
14. Ray Lindwall
15. Jasprit Bumrah*
16. Alan Davidson
17. Andy Roberts
18. Courtney Walsh
19. Shaun Pollock
20. Pat Cummins*
21. James Anderson
22. Kagiso Rabada*
23. Keith Miller
24. Alec Bedser
25. William Johnston

Yeah, no

 

[Johan]

Yeah, no

are you trying to tell me James Anderson is a better bowler than Andy Roberts?

 

[capt_Luffy]

are you trying to tell me James Anderson is a better bowler than Andy Roberts?

Yes I am

 

[Johan]

Yes I am

Then No, I think Roberts was a better bowler than Anderson.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Then No, I think Roberts was a better bowler than Anderson.

No way he should be ahead of Walsh, Pollock and Cummins tbt.