Ambrose vs imran

[govinda indian fan]

Who is better away from home

 

[PlayerComparisons]

 

[subshakerz]

It's Imran slightly.

Both are ATG against their top teams in their backyards, Ambrose a bit better.

You could argue they are equal in SC away with India and Pakistan but I think with context Imran still has an advantage there, again if we ignore Pakistan at home.

Both excellent in England, Ambrose a bit better, Imran was also very good in Aus and best in the WSC there.

The rest are small samples.

I argue Imran is better overall for being worldclass against three top teams abroad, Aus, Eng, and WI, compared to two for Ambrose, and with an edge in SC.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

It's Imran slightly.

Both are ATG against their top teams in their backyards, Ambrose a bit better.

You could argue they are equal in SC away with India and Pakistan but I think with context Imran still has an advantage there, again if we ignore Pakistan at home.

Both excellent in England, Ambrose a bit better, Imran was also very good in Aus and best in the WSC there.

The rest are small samples.

I argue Imran is better overall for being worldclass against three top teams abroad, Aus, Eng, and WI, compared to two for Ambrose, and with an edge in SC.

This is actually a reasonable and mature take. Well said.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's Imran slightly.

Both are ATG against their top teams in their backyards, Ambrose a bit better.

You could argue they are equal in SC away with India and Pakistan but I think with context Imran still has an advantage there, again if we ignore Pakistan at home.

Both excellent in England, Ambrose a bit better, Imran was also very good in Aus and best in the WSC there.

The rest are small samples.

I argue Imran is better overall for being worldclass against three top teams abroad, Aus, Eng, and WI, compared to two for Ambrose, and with an edge in SC.

Imo, Ambrose against England and especially Australia was a fair bit higher than Imran against the Top 3.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Imran's raw averages away from home undersell how good he was by quite a bit, for many reasons (career length, more outlier flat pitches in several series compared to other ATG quicks, etc), but I think I might go for Ambrose by a shade for the strength of his Australia record. Far closer than people think.

 

[Johan]

Ambrose.

 

[DrWolverine]

Imran's raw averages away from home undersell how good he was by quite a bit, for many reasons (career length, more outlier flat pitches in several series compared to other ATG quicks, etc), but I think I might go for Ambrose by a shade for the strength of his Australia record. Far closer than people think.

True

 

[Johan]

almost like raw average reading on statsguru doesn't work.

 

[Zinzan]

Ambrose quite clearly for mine, albeit not by a huge margin.

 

[subshakerz]

Imo, Ambrose against England and especially Australia was a fair bit higher than Imran against the Top 3.

Imran in England is a bit dampened by a poor first debut test as a 18 year old.

I understand those rating Ambrose ahead based on Aus but for me success across more countries is more impressive.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Imran in England is a bit dampened by a poor first debut test as a 18 year old.

I understand those rating Ambrose ahead based on Aus but for me success across more countries is more impressive.

Overall Ambrose is still easily much better in England

 

[subshakerz]

Overall Ambrose is still easily much better in England

We agree he is better, both are worldclass but again I prefer those more accomplished across conditions rather than concentrated in conditions that suit them. Especially since there are questions about how Ambrose would do in SC that I think are less so for Imran. Think that is fair.

 

[kyear2]

Ambrose quite clearly for mine, albeit not by a huge margin.

Not a huge margin, but a clear one.

Ambrose.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Imran in England is a bit dampened by a poor first debut test as a 18 year old.

I understand those rating Ambrose ahead based on Aus but for me success across more countries is more impressive.

Imran averages 28 in india and Australia. Dont give me excuse of flat tracks in 87. Pakistani pitches are more dead then indian ones and he had success on them

 

[capt_Luffy]

Imran averages 28 in india and Australia. Dont give me excuse of flat tracks in 87. Pakistani pitches are more dead then indian ones and he had success on them

The Indian pitches he played on in particular were really flat. He averages 50+ with the bat and won a MoTS. His India record isn't Great but if anything understated.

 

[govinda indian fan]

The Indian pitches he played on in particular were really flat. He averages 50+ with the bat and won a MoTS. His India record isn't Great but if anything understated.

As cricketer imran > ambrose
As bowler ambrose > imran

 

[subshakerz]

Imran averages 28 in india and Australia. Dont give me excuse of flat tracks in 87. Pakistani pitches are more dead then indian ones and he had success on them

Australia included two tests he didn't bowl in and a 1990 series he was a part time bowler.

If you include WSC, which we should, Imran has 66 wickets in 13 tests@23 in his bowling prime from 76 to 80s. Even if you remove WSC he is still taking over 5WPM.

As for India and flat tracks in 87, this isn't even speculation, it was clear at the time India wanted to neutralise him and that series had four featherbed draws and a lottery spin pitch. No pacer did well either side. Worth noting Imran had a great series in India in 79.

 

[subshakerz]

As cricketer imran > ambrose
As bowler ambrose > imran

That's fine and most here have that ranking. I just dont rate Ambrose on SC pitches at all and I prefer more well rounded bowlers in different conditions.

 

[sayon basak]

As cricketer imran > ambrose
As bowler ambrose > imran

Kinda weird reply, but sure.