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All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Anyways, pleasantly surprised by the Hammond votes. It's not only an appreciation of his batting, but more of a recognition of his secondary skills and the value of them.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
I could argue Imran is a more valuable cricketer than McGrath (at this elite level it is more a function of taste than fact). But this team is better with Mcgrath
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
ma1978 said:
I could argue Imran is a more valuable cricketer than McGrath (at this elite level it is more a function of taste than fact). But this team is better with Mcgrath
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I think I would pick Imran on bowling alone. McGrath is a better bowler, but variety is so important. This team already has 2 of the 3 best opening bowlers ever. How much difference is adding another one going to make in relation to boosting old ball bowling? And do we really want to be playing a second right arm FM channel bowler?

Batting difference is obviously huge. A similarly strong bowling lineup is going to tear into even a batting lineup this strong with the new ball sometimes. He will have the luxury of facing the old ball. Can stick around to help someone like Sobers make some stupid score in certain circumstances. Can attack for a quick declaration in others.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
ftr for the future at least in general @capt_Luffy I feel like if you’re sticking with ~24 hours for each session of voting it should be that + whatever breaks a tie first to uh avoid wasting extra days on tiebreakers in the future. But thats just me
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

International Coach
Coronis said:
ftr for the future at least in general @capt_Luffy I feel like if you’re sticking with ~24 hours for each session of voting it should be that + whatever breaks a tie first to uh avoid wasting extra days on tiebreakers in the future. But thats just me
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Absolutely and it's not just you, it's me too. I have been checking the thread for past few days to see if the second round has started and it hasn't. Will be good if the tie breaker runs separately in parallel to second team votes on other slots instead. Or can break the tie in some other way like taking the latest rankings from threads run by L&L and choosing whoever finished higher there.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Coach
Johan said:
Ftr I think Barry above Greenidge or Kohli is as far as you can push it, and latter is very iffy
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Rating Boycott and Gavaskar as "close", and then having Boycott and Greenidge/Kohli so apart that having Barry over one is okay but the other is not sounds very mindless.
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
CricAddict said:
Absolutely and it's not just you, it's me too. I have been checking the thread for past few days to see if the second round has started and it hasn't. Will be good if the tie breaker runs separately in parallel to second team votes on other slots instead. Or can break the tie in some other way like taking the latest rankings from threads run by L&L and choosing whoever finished higher there.
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I like the tiebreaker. It's funny having people get even more invested into their dude. Bolded makes sense to me though to speed things up.
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
sayon basak said:
Rating Boycott and Gavaskar as "close", and then having Boycott and Greenidge/Kohli so apart that having Barry over one is okay but the other is not sounds very mindless.
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The OP asked for me to not engage in this debate any further but all I'll end on is, take your Barry circlejerk and fantasize his career, I'm not going to give him imaginery points, he gets points for his high quality FC career, that's it.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
I think I would pick Imran on bowling alone. McGrath is a better bowler, but variety is so important. This team already has 2 of the 3 best opening bowlers ever. How much difference is adding another one going to make in relation to boosting old ball bowling? And do we really want to be playing a second right arm FM channel bowler?

Batting difference is obviously huge. A similarly strong bowling lineup is going to tear into even a batting lineup this strong with the new ball sometimes. He will have the luxury of facing the old ball. Can stick around to help someone like Sobers make some stupid score in certain circumstances. Can attack for a quick declaration in others.
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Marshall and McGrath managed to become the two greatest bowlers ever, and drove their teams to success without the benefit of an old ball specialist. Marshall had his variations and cutters, McGrath still relied on his consistency and a accuracy. Again, those two with the new ball are a must for me.

Even if you want a good no. 8, the notion of stacking the tail does has diminishing returns, especially against quality attacks, and especially at the risk or depleting the bowling.

And again least we forget the 3 greatest teams of all time had at no. 8, Marshall, Warne and Tallon. Want to go (to my) top 6? Walker, Laker, Murray... Next in line? Morkel. It's only as we progress that we approach names like Procter and Ashwin. (Still figuring out which English pre war team fits into the top 10)

Again, no one's saying it's not important, but it's getting to the point of overblown if it overrides the bowling.

Again, no issue if someone wants Imran at first chance for the variety and the runs, but if it's the over riding factor all the way through, it's fine too far imo.

And I'll leave it there.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
Bolo. said:
I think I would pick Imran on bowling alone. McGrath is a better bowler, but variety is so important. This team already has 2 of the 3 best opening bowlers ever. How much difference is adding another one going to make in relation to boosting old ball bowling? And do we really want to be playing a second right arm FM channel bowler?

Batting difference is obviously huge. A similarly strong bowling lineup is going to tear into even a batting lineup this strong with the new ball sometimes. He will have the luxury of facing the old ball. Can stick around to help someone like Sobers make some stupid score in certain circumstances. Can attack for a quick declaration in others.
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interesting take. Could buy that. But with that argument it should be Akram
 
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