Alan Knott VS Adam Gilchrist

[DrWolverine]

I saw Akram for the majority of his career and do not have any doubts over his skills but I always felt he was an underperformer in test cricket.

Unlike most people on this sub, I rate him slightly higher than even Glen McGrath in one day cricket.

 

[subshakerz]

I saw Akram for the majority of his career and do not have any doubts over his skills but I always felt he was an underperformer in test cricket.

Unlike most people on this sub, I rate him slightly higher than even Glen McGrath in one day cricket.

Imran with reverse could slice through entire lineups. His 8fers against India and SL and 7fers against WI and England were exactly that. He also could reverse swing it farther than Wasim on a more regular basis.

Wasim however could reverse it both ways.

 

[kyear2]

Shane Warne should be in “very likely”
I agree with the other names in your list

Ummmm

"The Locks"
Hobbs
Bradman | Tendulkar | Sobers
Marshall

Mostly in, but there's an argument or competition
Hutton | Gilchrist | Warne

Very Likely
Richards | McGrath

Toss up (any of)
Hadlee | Imran | Wasim | Barnes

 

[subshakerz]

Ummmm

"The Locks"
Hobbs
Bradman | Tendulkar | Sobers
Marshall

Mostly in, but there's an argument or competition
Hutton | Gilchrist | Warne

Very Likely
Richards | McGrath

Toss up (any of)
Hadlee | Imran | Wasim | Barnes

Marshall belongs in mostly in.

You know that, there are just many ATG XIs, especially the past gen, where he isn't there.

 

[kyear2]

Shane Warne should be in “very likely”
I agree with the other names in your list

The thing about Warne is that while he and Murali are close and there can be an argument. I've never seen a team without Warne.

For the Cricinfo exercise even the SL rep chose Warne.

 

[Thala_0710]

The thing with Warne is that even if you believe that Murali is the slightly better bowler, Warne's batting + slip fielding + general presence/aura on the field just elevates him. Hence even with a direct competitor, he's the most common choice.

 

[DrWolverine]

Gilchrist is a lock in.

 

[DrWolverine]

Warne's batting + slip fielding + general presence/aura on the field just elevates him.

Hence even with a direct competitor, he's the most common choice.

More than his batting or slipping, it is his aura.

There is something cool about his bowling that cannot be explained in words.

 

[subshakerz]

More than his batting or slipping, it is his aura.

There is something cool about his bowling that cannot be explained in words.

Warne had aggro vibes that will rub off on the team. Winner mindset.

 

[subshakerz]

The thing about Warne is that while he and Murali are close and there can be an argument. I've never seen a team without Warne.

For the Cricinfo exercise even the SL rep chose Warne.

If Warne is in very likely then so should Marshall because Warne appeared in way more ATG XIs than him.

 

[kyear2]

Would put Hutton and Warne in very likely

Changed

 

[kyear2]

Hutton, Marshall and Warne belong in very likely. McGrath is tossup if Hadlee is there.

Why is Marshall in likely and not Tendulkar and Hobbs?

What's the argument against?

 

[akilana]

Why is Marshall in likely and not Tendulkar and Hobbs?

What's the argument against?

because tendulkar had aggro vibes that will rub off on the team. Winner mindset.

 

[kyear2]

Marshall is pretty much a lock in every team I have seen

Pretty much.

His only competition for the alpha spot is Lillee, and those who rate Lillee that highly generally play both.

 

[kyear2]

I’ve seen Gavaskar picked many times over Hutton.

Yes, very true.

But from what I've extensively witnessed, Hutton maintains a marginal plurality of support.

Sunny also gets in over Hobbs at times as well.

It's an interesting threesome, with Richards at times making it a 4 way.

But the British duo oft comes out on top with Sunny and Barry taking 2nd team honors.

 

[subshakerz]

Why is Marshall in likely and not Tendulkar and Hobbs?

What's the argument against?

Tendulkar can also be in likely. Marshall occasionally gets not selected in folks ATG XIs for Lillee or Barnes. There's an argument for competition for both.

Hobbs I don't think there is any near competition for him as opener. But even he can arguably be put in very likely.

Only Sobers and Bradman are unanimous locks.

 

[DrWolverine]

I will give it a try for 15 players


The Locks"
Don Bradman
Gary Sobers
Adam Gilchrist

Mostly in, but there's an argument or competition
Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Sachin Tendulkar
Malcolm Marshall

Very Likely
Viv Richards
Glen McGrath
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne

Toss up (any of)
Sunil Gavaskar
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes
Imran Khan

 

[kyear2]

It's only quite recently that Hutton over Gavaskar has become so much of a lock

Even in '91 Swanton picked Sunny over Sir Leonard, CMJ goes the other way.

And it's strange, because Hutton had a considerably higher peer rating than Sunny during their respective careers.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I will give it a try for 15 players


The Locks"
Don Bradman
Gary Sobers
Adam Gilchrist

Mostly in, but there's an argument or competition
Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Sachin Tendulkar
Malcolm Marshall

Very Likely
Viv Richards
Glen McGrath
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne

Toss up (any of)
Sunil Gavaskar
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes
Imran Khan

Gilchrist is in "mostly in", only Sobers and Don are locks. Similarly think Hutton is "Very Likely", no ways he makes more teams than Warne.

 

[kyear2]

There are plenty of XIs I have seen Gavaskar picked. Fewer but enough where Marshall hasn't been picked either to disqualify him as a lock.

The legitimate AT World XI's that Marshall doesn't make.

Present them pls.

He literally makes more than Tendulkar, more than Gilchrist and just as many as Hobbs.