Alan Knott VS Adam Gilchrist

[subshakerz]

Who is the alternative for Hutton?

Marshall is pretty much a lock in every team I have seen

Gavaskar.

Marshall I have seen sometimes sidestepped for Lillee/Barnes.

 

[DrWolverine]

Gavaskar.

Any reason for picking him over Hutton?

Marshall I have seen sometimes sidestepped for Lillee/Barnes.

Surprising

 

[Coronis]

Who is the alternative for Hutton?

Marshall is pretty much a lock in every team I have seen

I’ve seen Gavaskar picked many times over Hutton.

 

[kyear2]

Hammond if you want an ATG slip and a 6th bowler

I do not hate this.

A cordon of Hammond, Sobers and Viv is nirvana.

 

[Thala_0710]

I’ve seen Gavaskar picked many times over Hutton.

It's only quite recently that Hutton over Gavaskar has become so much of a lock

 

[subshakerz]

Any reason for picking him over Hutton?


Surprising

There are plenty of XIs I have seen Gavaskar picked. Fewer but enough where Marshall hasn't been picked either to disqualify him as a lock.

 

[subshakerz]

Surprising

The older gen chose Lillee over Marshall pretty consistently.

 

[kyear2]

(Resisting the urge to tag Kyear)

I saw it, lol

 

[kyear2]

Why?

McGrath has a better Ashes record despite playing in more batter friendly era.

Like how is this missed?

 

[DrWolverine]

It's only quite recently that Hutton over Gavaskar has become so much of a lock

Is it the focus on stats nowadays?
Len Hutton has a near perfect record.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Gilchrist is really as much of a lock as anyone bar Bradman and Sobers.

 

[Thala_0710]

Is it the focus on stats nowadays?
Len Hutton has a near perfect record.

Yeah probably, and also for the longest time Hutton didn't have the highest peer rep due to his lower SR and facing relatively no ATG bowling.

 

[kyear2]

I see what you did there.

Besides for attempts to be punny, Gilchrist is just so far and away better as a bat than anyone who consistently and effectively played the WK batsman position, it's not worth comparing. The most obvious competition he has from the batting end for that position have major caveats/speculation attached to them (Sanga/Flower).

Knott is light years away from Gilchrist as a batsman.

You do know there's two aspects under consideration for wicket-keepers right?

And he's not light years away.

 

[DrWolverine]

As a batsman, Gilly is the best or second best imo.

 

[kyear2]

Keeper quality is even more important than slips. We aren't just talking catches, we are talking byes, stumpings, etc. and if we can afford a keeper who is essentially flawless it gives a lot more confidence to the bowling attack.

The fact that you refuse to see how this also conveys to the slip cordon is baffling.

And just a quick fyi, catching in the cordon is more difficult than it is for the keeper.

 

[kyear2]

He certainly has his arguments and should be the pick for variety, I think Hadlee/Imran/Wasim can fight for that spot, I just go all in on Hadlee figuring it out generally.

ATG gloveman, very decent bat done hard by very spicy home conditions and a weak batting, with better home conditions I think he goes north of 36 with the bat.

Easily agree with all of that.

 

[subshakerz]

The fact that you refuse to see how this also conveys to the slip cordon is baffling.

And just a quick fyi, catching in the cordon is more difficult than it is for the keeper.

I explained. It's not just catches it's byes and stumpings. I gave a video where Knott showed how he gave signals on what to bowl to Underwood.

And again, elite slips are great but not more compared to actual lower order runs.

 

[kyear2]

Just out of interest, I argue one pacer should be an old ball reverse specialist rather than three new ball experts. Hence to me one of Steyn/Imran/Wasim should be there. What are your thoughts?

I agree with this to a point, but also acknowledge that each of these bowlers bowled with the old ball to basically equal effect. They all managed to make it work.

I do agree though that in such XI's, that one should try to gain any advantage possible, and yes, go with traits.

You want the absolute best attack.

 

[kyear2]

Heart says Akram.
Mind says Imran.

Akram for me had more traits and tools, brought the difficulty of the different angle and didn't depend on reverse as much with the old ball.

That and the comparative peer ratings sell it for me.

 

[subshakerz]

Akram for me had more traits and tools, brought the difficulty of the different angle and didn't require as reverse as much with the old ball.

That and the comparative peer ratings sell it for me.

Would you pick Akram if he couldn't bat? Please don't evade this time.