Alan Knott VS Adam Gilchrist

[subshakerz]

Fair belief, I think I just back the top 3 pacers to figure it out even with McGrath's inferior reverse but believing you should have a reverse master in Wasim/Imran there is definitely a fair view too.

I think I also base this off the most successful attacks having pace bowlers of varied type and skills.

Roberts/Croft/Holding/Garner
McGrath/Gillespie/Lee
Steyn/Philander/Morkel
Starc/Hazelwood/Cummins

 

[subshakerz]

Heart says Akram.
Mind says Imran.

Imran is a more ideal third pacer and I argue the most destructive bowler ever with reverse, the OG. Though I think Akram is a fair shout.

 

[subshakerz]

Looking at some of Knott's work here, he is almost incredible in his reflexes to create wickets.

On top of that he was a genuinely cheery guy who seemed to be the heart of that English team. Those types always help team morale.

Here Knott talks about how he developed a signalling system with Underwood to decide if a bat needs a flat or a more flighted delivery. Interesting. Can imagine him working very well with Warne or Murali.

 

[capt_Luffy]

How is it that Punter's batting is over rated, yet the faced the same bowlers and conditions, while batting 4 spots higher, and Gilly's isn't.

Well, yk, I actually might rate Ponting two tiers above Gilly as a batsman...... Controversial I know, but yeah.

 

[shortpitched713]

Gilly debuted basically at his peak, batted no 7 after a very strong batting order and played entirely in the flat era.

He wasn't as great a bat as his average suggests.

He averages about 1.5x what Knott does. All that adjustment still won't make them remotely close as bats.

 

[subshakerz]

He averages about 1.5x what Knott does. All that adjustment still won't make them remotely close as bats.

Gilly is definitely better as bat but more like a mid 30s versus a early 40s difference

 

[capt_Luffy]

Gilly is definitely better as bat but more like a mid 30s versus a early 40s difference

The difference is the same as in between Kevin Pietersen and Nassir Hussain

 

[Johan]

Nasser is not that far off that **** KP

 

[Coronis]

Nasser is not that far off that **** KP

I’m all for KP hate, but nah.

 

[Johan]

I’m all for KP hate, but nah.

how about saying top order Stewart is close to KP then?

 

[Coronis]

how about saying top order Stewart is close to KP then?

Big ol HTB.

 

[Johan]

Big ol HTB.

Invest in the top order Stewart meta

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/20372.html?batting_positionmax1=3;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

 

[Coronis]

Invest in the top order Stewart meta

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/20372.html?batting_positionmax1=3;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

ironically, most of his good away knocks came when keeping.

 

[sayon basak]

Heart says Akram.
Mind says Imran.

Difference?

 

[DrWolverine]

Mind > Heart

 

[kyear2]

Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Gilchrist
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
McGrath

Isn't set

The key is for "most people."

"The Locks"
Hobbs | Hutton
Bradman | Tendulkar | Sobers
Marshall | Warne

Very Likely
Richards | Gilchrist | McGrath

Toss up (any of)
Hadlee | Imran | Wasim | Barnes

 

[DrWolverine]

Shane Warne should be in “very likely”
I agree with the other names in your list

 

[subshakerz]

The key is for "most people."

"The Locks"
Hobbs | Hutton
Bradman | Tendulkar | Sobers
Marshall | Warne

Very Likely
Richards | Gilchrist | McGrath

Toss up (any of)
Hadlee | Imran | Wasim | Barnes

Hutton, Marshall and Warne belong in very likely. McGrath is tossup if Hadlee is there.

 

[Thala_0710]

The key is for "most people."

"The Locks"
Hobbs | Hutton
Bradman | Tendulkar | Sobers
Marshall | Warne

Very Likely
Richards | Gilchrist | McGrath

Toss up (any of)
Hadlee | Imran | Wasim | Barnes

Would put Hutton and Warne in very likely

 

[DrWolverine]

Hutton, Marshall and Warne belong in very likely. McGrath is tossup if Hadlee is there.

Who is the alternative for Hutton?

Marshall is pretty much a lock in every team I have seen