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Adjusting the batting average based on actual quality

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subshakerz

International Coach
Most batsmen end up with averages that are fairly reflective of their overall skill and worth to the side. But there are cases where the disparity is too extreme to take their numbers seriously on face value. So this thread is about trying to give our own adjustments based on what we think suits the player, bumping up or down.

To bump up, I would think Atherton should have an average of 43/44 rather than the 37 he ended up with. He faced all of the best pace pairings of the 90s in their prime as opener, arguably was the most tested batsman in cricket history.

To bump down, I would choose Mohd Yusuf, taking him from 52 to around 44. One of the clearest flat track bullies and fairweather batsmen I have ever seen and doesnt deserve a higher average than so many greats.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Regular
subshakerz said:
Most batsmen end up with averages that are fairly reflective of their overall skill and worth to the side. But there are cases where the disparity is too extreme to take their numbers seriously on face value. So this thread is about trying to give our own adjustments based on what we think suits the player, bumping up or down.

To bump up, I would think Atherton should have an average of 43/44 rather than the 37 he ended up with. He faced all of the best pace pairings of the 90s in their prime as opener, arguably was the most tested batsman in cricket history.

To bump down, I would choose Mohd Yusuf, taking him from 52 to around 44. One of the clearest flat track bullies and fairweather batsmen I have ever seen and doesnt deserve a higher average than so many greats.
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Yeah Yousuf was a good player but clearly a major beneficiary of one of the best periods to be a batsman. Even in a batting era he failed against the three strongest bowling sides. Statpadded heavily with some very soft runs and then hardly played during his decline. Quite annoying that he averages more than Root. Madness he averages more than the likes of Viv and Ponting.

For someone who deserved/warranted averaging more, maybe Mohinder Amarnath on the basis he was born in the wrong continent and was arguably one of the great players of pace bowling but he was very inconsistent at home. Alec Stewart as well averaged in the mid-40s when batting in the top 3 and that was whilst playing almost entirely in the 90s. Better than Cook for example against pace and should always have played as a specialist opener.
 
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subshakerz

International Coach
BazBall21 said:
Yeah Yousuf was a good player but clearly a major beneficiary of one of the best periods to be a batsman. Even in a batting era he failed against the three strongest bowling sides. Statpadded heavily with some very soft runs and then hardly played during his decline. Quite annoying that he averages more than Root. Madness he averages more than the likes of Viv and Ponting.

For someone who deserved/warranted averaging more, maybe Mohinder Amarnath on the basis he was born in the wrong continent and was arguably one of the great players of pace bowling but he was very inconsistent at home. Alec Stewart as well averaged in the mid-40s when batting in the top 3 and that was whilst playing almost entirely in the 90s. Better than Cook for example against pace and should always have played as a specialist opener.
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Amarnath is a good shout. He deserves a late 40s average at least.
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Jesse Ryder on talent deserved to average late 40s with the bat, score 20+ 100s, and average mid 30s with the ball. Jesse Ryder on effort put in didn't deserve to play international cricket.
 
mr_mister

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Frank Worrell another who deserves to average above 50. His record batting in the top 5 is close to 60
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Mark Waugh was much better than an average of 41.81 would indicate. Only had a top score of 153* so never got those daddy 100s to boost his average, but was up with the best in.the world in the 90s.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Regular
Warrants a higher average:
Peter May
Martin Crowe
Graham Thorpe
Mohinder Amarnath
Neil Harvey
Ajinkya Rahane


Warrants a lower average:
Mahela Jayawardene
David Warner
Ian Bell
Thilan Samaraweera
Tom Latham
Desmond Haynes
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Regular
Barrington was a great player but not convinced his average isn’t a bit inflated. Record at home to quality attacks is quite patchy. Have always loved Everton Weekes who averaged the same as Barrington but he had a similar problem, overseas instead of at home.
 
mr_mister

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
BazBall21 said:
Barrington was a great player but not convinced his average isn’t a bit inflated. Record at home to quality attacks is quite patchy. Have always loved Everton Weekes who averaged the same as Barrington but he had a similar problem, overseas instead of at home.
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And that's before we get into his FC record
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Regular
mr_mister said:
And that's before we get into his FC record
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Haha yeah, that never bothers me much but you wonder if batting in FC was tougher than some of the conditions he got in Tests.

Interestingly Ted Dexter also has a really disappointing FC record. Could see him having a similar issue to Gower, lacking motivation for CC once his England place was secure but could be incorrectly disrespecting the great man there.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Regular
Cricket was obvs a bit different back then and we will never quite know how these guys would perform in the modern era but batsmen like Clem Hill, Arthur Shrewsbury and Victor Trumper’s respective averages were worth a lot more back then. Stanley Jackson has also done very well in a lot of adjusted average activities I’ve seen.
 
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