AB de Villiers vs Clive Lloyd

[Johan]

No.
(2 of these guys ain't even better than Kohli).

Yes
and all of them are better than Kohli. and Kohli himself is not far from De Villiers in test.

 

[Thala_0710]

You mean Worrell and Hill?

Hill and May

 

[Johan]

May is probably better than Harvey

 

[vidiq]

Gooch is better than de villiers, the quality of bolwers he faced is another level and abd didn't even played much in Wobble seam era.

 

[Thala_0710]

Gooch is better than de villiers, the quality of bolwers he faced is another level and abd didn't even played much in Wobble seam era.

You can't be serious mate

 

[Johan]

won't go that far but Harvey/May/Trumper/Boycott are definitively better than De Villiers, people mix up De Villiers and his one day/T20 antiques with what he was in test, in actuality he was a 50 avg bat who hid at 5 behind an ATG batting lineup and barely averaged 50, even though he retired prematurely to save his numbers, a thing more selfish than anything Boycott ever did for example. If he was some fat moustached Batsmen from Pakistan who didn't play one day or test and had that record, nobody would rate him highly frankly. He's kind of carried by how he looks and his involvement with Indian Cricket and constant sucking up to it.

no way he's better than openers averaging 48 against dukes after 20 years of Cricket.

 

[sayon basak]

You can't be serious mate

I mean, if anybody rates Inzy ahead of ABD, don't know why he can't do that with Gooch, as Gooch is arguably better than Inzamam.

 

[Thala_0710]

won't go that far but Harvey/May/Trumper/Boycott are definitively better than De Villiers, people mix up De Villiers and his one day/T20 antiques with what he was in test, in actuality he was a 50 avg bat who hid at 5 behind an ATG batting lineup and barely averaged 50, even though he retired prematurely to save his numbers, a thing more selfish than anything Boycott ever did for example. If he was some fat moustached Batsmen from Pakistan who didn't play one day or test and had that record, nobody would rate him highly frankly.

no way he's better than openers averaging 48 against dukes after 20 years of Cricket.

The only reason De Villiers doesn't avg more is that he was batted out of position, and had to open early on in his career. At 'his' position at no 5, he avgs 62.

 

[Thala_0710]

I mean, if anybody rates Inzy ahead of ABD, don't know why he can't do that with Gooch, as Gooch is arguably better than Inzamam.

You can't be serious was for both combined.

 

[Johan]

The only reason De Villiers doesn't avg more is that he was batted out of position, and had to open early on in his career. At 'his' position at no 5, he avgs 62.

Neil Harvey averages 137 at number 5, Peter May averages 58 at number 4, Frank Worrell averaged 64.6 ar #4/5 next.

 

[sayon basak]

You can't be serious was for both combined.

Yeah agree tbh.

 

[Thala_0710]

Neil Harvey averages 137 at number 5, Next.

Yes, in the grand total of 7 innings he played there.
He played 8 inns at 6 and avged 20 there too.

 

[vidiq]

You can't be serious mate

The only reason De Villiers doesn't avg more is that he was batted out of position, and had to open early on in his career. At 'his' position at no 5, he avgs 62.

But only 3.9k runs
Clarke 5.9 k runs at 61 AVG is more impressive

 

[Johan]

Yes, in the grand total of 7 innings he played there

Peter May averages 58 at number 4, Worrell averages 65 in the 33 innings he played at 4/5, Once again, nothing special about De Villiers.

 

[Thala_0710]

But only 3.9k runs
Clarke 5.9 k runs at 61 AVG is more impressiveView attachment 46440

Clarke was a HTB. Not close to De Villiers.

 

[Thala_0710]

Peter May averages 58 at number 4, Worrell averages 65 in the 33 innings he played at 4/5, Once again, nothing special about De Villiers.

May also avgs 25 in 10 inns at 5&6.
Similar numbers for worrell at 6-8.
They just happened to be at peak form when they batted at that particular number. It has nothing to do with the batting position in itself.

 

[Johan]

May also avgs 25 in 10 inns at 5&6.
Similar numbers for worrell at 6-8.
They just happened to be at peak form when they batted at that particular number. It has nothing to do with the batting position in itself.

so?
what does De Villiers average at 6 and 7? and wasn't 7 innings too low a sample size for Harvey's success at 5 but it's a definitive sample size for May's failure at two positions?
Worrell played at 7 pre dominantly when he was finished, something De Villiers evaded by being a coward and retiring early and leaving South Africa in a batting Crisis they still haven't recovered from, and the same argument that De Villiers was just in his prime when batting at 5 can be made as well.

 

[Johan]

Trumper also averages 52 from 3-6 btw, in uber bowling era, but let's just give special treatment to De Villiers.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Heard someone is arguing ABD>Trumper!????

 

[capt_Luffy]

Btw ABD is better than them all not named Trumper and also than Compton, Walcott and Miandad.