A prediction !!

[King_Ponting]

Personally i like tait and he is a good prospect for australia. however i hope that he has a strong back cause all that pressure on the bottom of his spine wouldnt be doing all that much good

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I remember seeing him when I was in Adelaide take his 8/43 against Tasmania. It was one of the most unbelievable spells of One Day bowling I've seen.

Probably encapsulates why "some people" won't like him. He's bowled extremely well but still gone at over 4 an over.

Yeah. He will certainly never be economical. Most likely he will be like Brett Lee in ODIs if and when he gets there - he will only be economical if he's beating the bat or taking wickets. He's not going to be the sort of bowler that is difficult to get away as such, just one who might well get you out.

 

[Mister Wright]

Yeah. He will certainly never be economical. Most likely he will be like Brett Lee in ODIs if and when he gets there - he will only be economical if he's beating the bat or taking wickets. He's not going to be the sort of bowler that is difficult to get away as such, just one who might well get you out.

What I love about Tait, is he'll bowl absolute tripe for 2 1/2 sessions, but then everything will just click, and in no time he's taken 3 wickets, and completely changed the game. He's young and can bowl quick, but I think the workload will take a toll on his body and he will turn into more of a Tony Dodemaide kind of bowler in his late 20s or he will have to give up the game. I would like to see him in the one day side sometime this year, probably in the VB Series.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I think the point that strikes me about what Mister Wright says is that, because it is so true, chances are that we might be going to see another AK Zesers, maybe we'll wait too long to see his potential, and he'll be screwed/half the bowler he once was when he finally reaches the world stage. Lets hope not.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I think the point that strikes me about what Mister Wright says is that, because it is so true, chances are that we might be going to see another AK Zesers, maybe we'll wait too long to see his potential, and he'll be screwed/half the bowler he once was when he finally reaches the world stage. Lets hope not.

Yep. He should certainly be the 5th pick for seamers in Australian cricket now behind McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Kasprowicz, so with any luck (or some bad luck on the part of the other bowlers) he will get a go soon and impress. I'd hate to see him come into the team in 2 or 3 years and break down straight away a-la Lee.

 

[Top_Cat]

I know what you guys are saying about Tait's action but seriously, it works for him. It's telling that several of the other Aussies with more 'pure' actions like Lee, Watson, Gillespie, etc. have all had back stress fractures very early on (Watson at 14, 16, 18 and 21 years of age, Lee similarly) but Tait has had a grand total of none. If anyone else was to try his action, they'd almost certainly have trouble but it works for Tait because it fits with his natural movements. The same could be said about Jeff Thomson; his action wouldn't work for anyone else but it worked for him. It was a shoulder injury, not a back injury, which slowed him down. His action appears to put a lot of strain on his back but it didn't seem to affect him as much as, say, Lillee.

Anyway, he doesn't put heaps of pressure on his back like the rest because a lot of his pace comes from the combination of his arms and wrist. Check it out next time you see a replay from side-on; he almost jogs to the wicket, his arms swings through fairly easily and the rest of his body moves through quite languidly but then at the crucial moment, his wrist snaps really violently and the ball just rockets out. If anything, changing such a natural movement would probably cause him injuries.

I have first-hand knowledge that Tait has been watched very closely for exactly that which you guys are worried about since he was 15 so if there was a problem with what he was doing, you can be sure it would have been picked up and corrected. Although not an orthodox action, as I said it works for him because his body is just built that way.

As for the 'some people won't like him thing', indeed that's the case with Tait. I personally watched him, in the same match he took a ten-fer, bowl two of the widest deliveries I've ever seen. I know people joke about bowlers not being able to bowl on the 'cut portion' but seriously, these two didn't even land anywhere near them. For those who know Adelaide Oval, both deliveries he was bowling from the River Torrens End and they flew from his hand to the boundary right underneath the sightscreen. Now THAT's wide.................

HA, found a pic which will tell the story;

That's the view from the Torrens End. Now imagine a bowler running into bowl, letting go of the ball and the ball then rolling into the fence under the scoreboard and you'll get an idea of how wide those balls were!

 

[King_Ponting]

is it just me, can anyone see the pic?

 

[badgerhair]

I think one of the reasons you get a more reserved reaction about Tait than you might about another bowler with his figures, is that he's an extremely unusual bowler, and it's hard to have too much faith in him. ... From what I've seen of him (limited to one game live and a bunch of OD games on tv, plus radio and so on), he bowls as many wicket balls as any bowler I have ever seen. He has an absolutely sublime yorker, moves the ball both in the air and off the seam at will on what is usually a dead flat wicket at Adelaide, and has an unorthodox, skiddy bouncer which batsmen seem to struggle to deal with. He's also extremely sharp.

Thanks. He indeed sounds interesting. I'd guess that he has taken a number of wickets from sheer novelty value so far, and that those will dry up as time goes on. (I'm put in mind of how Malinga took a lot of wickets in the First Test against NZ when they'd never seen him before but not many in the Second.)

He seems to be in favour with the selectors, so he'll probably get a go sooner rather than later, and we shall then see what we shall see. However, if he has a dream start, I suspect it will be worth waiting a little to see what develops rather than hail a new superstar right away.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[tooextracool]

well based on the way blokes like Lee, Tait, MaCGill, Bracken have bowled in FC cricket

thats the thing, there are bowlers around the world who've come up with better domestic figures and havent got a game.

 

[tooextracool]

Tatis got an action sorta like malinga. and he is very very sharp. When i saw him play against zimbabwe one of their batsman edged him for 6...

which makes him more likely to be rubbish at the international level.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

which makes him more likely to be rubbish at the international level.

The fact that he's fast means he's likely to be rubbish? Hardly. A bowler can always bowl slower, but you can't teach the ability to bowl in the 140s, it just comes naturally. It can't be anything but an advantage.

 

[Top_Cat]

For King_Ponting and those who can't see the pic, the URL;

http://www.bwpc.co.uk/bms/images/09a Adelaide Oval.jpg

Thanks. He indeed sounds interesting. I'd guess that he has taken a number of wickets from sheer novelty value so far, and that those will dry up as time goes on. (I'm put in mind of how Malinga took a lot of wickets in the First Test against NZ when they'd never seen him before but not many in the Second.)

Well, of course we will see in time but it apears as if Tait has more variation and less 'novelty value' than Malinga. He doesn't bowl anywhere near as round-arm as Malinga, being more of a slinger than anything. It's tough to describe.

which makes him more likely to be rubbish at the international level.

Let's not pre-judge until he's in Aussie colours, eh?

Just like to point out that Australian selectors have never made it a habit of picking even slightly unorthodox bowlers and in fact one criticism of them over the years is the way they've specifically avoided picking guys who are a bit unusual or don't do things the orthodox way in favour of the equivalently-paced orthodox, seam-up pacer. The non-selection of Mike Whitney years ago comes to mind as well as numerous others. The fact that Tait is even on the radar, considering how very unorthodox he is, shows the selectors think he's more than a one-trick pony.

 

[King_Ponting]

which makes him more likely to be rubbish at the international level.

Another stupid statement be TEC. So just because u are quick enough to be edged for 6 you are rubbish are ya?? Jeez Shoaib, Bond, Harmison and Lee are in a bit of strife than going by your logic mate.

 

[tooextracool]

The fact that he's fast means he's likely to be rubbish? Hardly. A bowler can always bowl slower, but you can't teach the ability to bowl in the 140s, it just comes naturally. It can't be anything but an advantage.

i was referring to the point that he had an action like malinga, and almost anyone who has an action like that ends up being very very inaccurate.

 

[Top_Cat]

i was referring to the point that he had an action like malinga, and almost anyone who has an action like that ends up being very very inaccurate.

This shows you haven't even seen him so I'd reserve judgement until you've seen him. I've been aware of Tait since he was 16 and his action doesn't resemble Malinga at all. I've no idea why people are saying it. He's unorthodox, yes, but he's not a round-arm bowler like Malinga is; at the point of delivery, his arm is perfectly upright most of the time, only going slightly rounder in arc when tired/down on confidence.

 

[aussie]

I know what you guys are saying about Tait's action but seriously, it works for him. It's telling that several of the other Aussies with more 'pure' actions like Lee, Watson, Gillespie, etc. have all had back stress fractures very early on (Watson at 14, 16, 18 and 21 years of age, Lee similarly) but Tait has had a grand total of none. If anyone else was to try his action, they'd almost certainly have trouble but it works for Tait because it fits with his natural movements. The same could be said about Jeff Thomson; his action wouldn't work for anyone else but it worked for him. It was a shoulder injury, not a back injury, which slowed him down. His action appears to put a lot of strain on his back but it didn't seem to affect him as much as, say, Lillee.

Anyway, he doesn't put heaps of pressure on his back like the rest because a lot of his pace comes from the combination of his arms and wrist. Check it out next time you see a replay from side-on; he almost jogs to the wicket, his arms swings through fairly easily and the rest of his body moves through quite languidly but then at the crucial moment, his wrist snaps really violently and the ball just rockets out. If anything, changing such a natural movement would probably cause him injuries.

I have first-hand knowledge that Tait has been watched very closely for exactly that which you guys are worried about since he was 15 so if there was a problem with what he was doing, you can be sure it would have been picked up and corrected. Although not an orthodox action, as I said it works for him because his body is just built that way.

As for the 'some people won't like him thing', indeed that's the case with Tait. I personally watched him, in the same match he took a ten-fer, bowl two of the widest deliveries I've ever seen. I know people joke about bowlers not being able to bowl on the 'cut portion' but seriously, these two didn't even land anywhere near them. For those who know Adelaide Oval, both deliveries he was bowling from the River Torrens End and they flew from his hand to the boundary right underneath the sightscreen. Now THAT's wide.................

HA, found a pic which will tell the story;

That's the view from the Torrens End. Now imagine a bowler running into bowl, letting go of the ball and the ball then rolling into the fence under the scoreboard and you'll get an idea of how wide those balls were!

very nicely put, topcat and i understand exactly what your saying, but all these comments about Tait is very interesting since honestly i have never seen him bowl, the only glimpse i have ever got of him was durinf the VB series when they should a replay of him bowling againts Pakistan, but it happened so fast i hardly remember it

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

This shows you haven't even seen him so I'd reserve judgement until you've seen him. I've been aware of Tait since he was 16 and his action doesn't resemble Malinga at all. I've no idea why people are saying it. He's unorthodox, yes, but he's not a round-arm bowler like Malinga is; at the point of delivery, his arm is perfectly upright most of the time, only going slightly rounder in arc when tired/down on confidence.

Agreed. His action is nothing like Malinga's. It's a slinging action, and he collapses somewhat in delivery and has a relatively short and sedate runup - it's the low point of delivery which makes him appear a bit like Malinga. He doesn't bowl roundarm at all.

 

[tooextracool]

This shows you haven't even seen him so I'd reserve judgement until you've seen him..

err yes, ive already stated that.

I've been aware of Tait since he was 16 and his action doesn't resemble Malinga at all. I've no idea why people are saying it. He's unorthodox, yes, but he's not a round-arm bowler like Malinga is; at the point of delivery, his arm is perfectly upright most of the time, only going slightly rounder in arc when tired/down on confidence.

oh its not just the round arm, its basically anyone who bowls with a slinging action tends to be very innaccurate. throw in the fact that someone mentioned that his head tends to fall away at the point of delivery, which as most bowlers will tell you is the worst way to bowl, makes him even more likely to be wayward and will make him injury prone. i can almost guarantee that tait in FC cricket tends to have spells where he tends to be very very poor and others where he tends to be very good. and i can almost guarantee you that like edwards and malinga, tait would probably happen to have a very good outswinger, again something that most bowlers with a slinging action tend to have due to their side-on action.
what all this means is not that he WILL be a failure at the international level, i'll reserve judgement for that until i actually watch him bowl. but all i can say right now is that its increasingly likely that he will struggle at the international level.

 

[Mister Wright]

oh its not just the round arm, its basically anyone who bowls with a slinging action tends to be very innaccurate.

Any bowler can be inaccurate from time to time. Look at Steve Harmisson he has had some shocking days in the field, and I don't think anyone would say he has a 'slinging' action.

 

[tooextracool]

Any bowler can be inaccurate from time to time. Look at Steve Harmisson he has had some shocking days in the field, and I don't think anyone would say he has a 'slinging' action.

yes any bowler can be inaccurate, but the fact is that almost any bowler with a 'slinging' action WILL be inaccurate. its just so much harder to control the ball with a slinging action. you can only for short bursts when your rhythm is good.