5 greatest cricketers since Don’s retirement.

[kyear2]

Lol @ anyone thinking anyone who rates Warne the greatest cricketer is a "commentator" of any sort.

Lets face it. The ones who rate Warne into the top 5 cricketers are usually the same ones who think Tendulkar is a God. And anyone who knows a bit about cricket will see there is not much between either Lara-Sachin or Murali-Warne. If some sort of box office appeal is what such things are decided by, then again, Sachin and heck, even Virat, will end up being ahead of Warne, even if Warne does get one of those 5 spots.

Heard that all of last week.

I personally agree with you, don't think there's a massive gulf between either pair.

But in terms of greatness, there's definitely other factors that add to Warne's ratings.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Lol @ anyone thinking anyone who rates Warne the greatest cricketer is a "commentator" of any sort.

Lets face it. The ones who rate Warne into the top 5 cricketers are usually the same ones who think Tendulkar is a God. And anyone who knows a bit about cricket will see there is not much between either Lara-Sachin or Murali-Warne. If some sort of box office appeal is what such things are decided by, then again, Sachin and heck, even Virat, will end up being ahead of Warne, even if Warne does get one of those 5 spots.

Ask any American who the Greatest Cricketer is and 90% will say Virat Kohli.

 

[honestbharani]

Heard that all of last week.

I personally agree with you, don't think there's a massive gulf between either pair.

But in terms of greatness, there's definitely other factors that add to Warne's ratings.

And all those factors add several more levels to Sachin and Virat. That is the point.

 

[kyear2]

And all those factors add several more levels to Sachin and Virat. That is the point.

Just out of curiosity, what factors do you believe those to be?

Don't think we're talking about the same factors?

 

[honestbharani]

Just out of curiosity, what factors do you believe those to be?

Don't think we're talking about the same factors?

Certainly not cricketing. You are the one who keeps saying there are these "commentators" who would put these guys in these levels. You should be supplying the evidence.

 

[kyear2]

Certainly not cricketing. You are the one who keeps saying there are these "commentators" who would put these guys in these levels. You should be supplying the evidence.

Pretty sure again, two separate topics, as I can't speak to their reasonings, but for me, I've shared mine in the past.

Probably none you would agree with, but definitely all are on field.

 

[honestbharani]

Pretty sure again, two separate topics, as I can't speak to their reasonings, but for me, I've shared mine in the past.

Probably none you would agree with, but definitely all are on field.

Its fine if you think that bro. But my point is that is not what anyone else would base these decisions on. Cricketing factors - They are equal and AFAIC, Lara is slightly ahead of Sachin and Murali is ahead of Warne. But either way, they are same tier and therefore, not clearly better than the other. Non-cricketing - Sachin and Virat will be ahead of Warne in every way. You may have invented factors that lets you rate Warne alone higher but it just does not happen with anyone else in cricket fandom or expertdom.

 

[subshakerz]

Both Warne and Tendulkar have hallowed status among pundits and peers.

 

[kyear2]

Its fine if you think that bro. But my point is that is not what anyone else would base these decisions on. Cricketing factors - They are equal and AFAIC, Lara is slightly ahead of Sachin and Murali is ahead of Warne. But either way, they are same tier and therefore, not clearly better than the other. Non-cricketing - Sachin and Virat will be ahead of Warne in every way. You may have invented factors that lets you rate Warne alone higher but it just does not happen with anyone else in cricket fandom or expertdom.

Don't think they would be shared by everyone, and again, definitely all on field.

Warne was the greatest closer of the game. He was one half of what I see as one of the great 4 phenomenons of and that changed the landscape of the test game in McWarne.

Which in turn was the foundation of arguably the greatest team ever.

This is probably controversial, but Warne also played in more high pressure and "historically consequential" contests, more big matchups.

 

[honestbharani]

Don't think they would be shared by everyone, and again, definitely all on field.

Warne was the greatest closer of the game. He was one half of what I see as one of the great 4 phenomenons of and that changed the landscape of the test game in McWarne.

Which in turn was the foundation of arguably the greatest team ever.

This is probably controversial, but Warne also played in more high pressure and "historically consequential" contests, more big matchups.

You are basically trying to say subcontinent cricket does not matter. That is not controversial, that is just basically racist and stupidly and completely wrong.

And there is no such thing as a "closer" of a game and if there is, MSD is better even on that count.

 

[DrWolverine]

If he’s referring to the Ashes, he’s mistaken.
During Warne’s era, the Ashes were rarely high pressure or tightly contested affairs.

The English batsmen seemed to admire his leg spin and their greatest contribution was to give him more wickets for his highlight reels.

 

[subshakerz]

Don't think they would be shared by everyone, and again, definitely all on field.

Warne was the greatest closer of the game. He was one half of what I see as one of the great 4 phenomenons of and that changed the landscape of the test game in McWarne.

Which in turn was the foundation of arguably the greatest team ever.

This is probably controversial, but Warne also played in more high pressure and "historically consequential" contests, more big matchups.

You really are easily influenced by whoever gets the most plaudits, it seems. Similar to 'McGrath is like, a winner' comment as if Hadlee was a born loser.

No wonder players from lower profile teams don't seem to figure higher for you.

 

[kyear2]

You are basically trying to say subcontinent cricket does not matter. That is not controversial, that is just basically racist.\ and stupidly and completely wrong.

And there is no such thing as a "closer" of a game and if there is, MSD is better even on that count.

Where the hell did I say or even intimate this?

Warne was part of unofficial world championships, and held onto the mantle of best in the world.
Winning matters, big match performances matter, at least to me.

With regards to the race baiting, I know that wasn't nearly my intent so you can interpret it anyway you desire.

Because I know that India and Pakistan have been part of big series, the West Indies now simply aren't, so don't know if I'm racist against my own team as well.

 

[subshakerz]

You are basically trying to say subcontinent cricket does not matter. That is not controversial, that is just basically racist and stupidly and completely wrong.

And there is no such thing as a "closer" of a game and if there is, MSD is better even on that count.

To be fair, his comment is not just against SC but also low profile teams like NZ which may be one reason he underrates Hadlee.

 

[subshakerz]

If he’s referring to the Ashes, he’s mistaken.
During Warne’s era, the Ashes were rarely high pressure or tightly contested affairs.

The English batsmen seemed to admire his leg spin and their greatest contribution was to give him more wickets for his highlight reels.



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He is basically saying that because those contests got more coverage, he thinks it makes Warne a greater bowler.

 

[honestbharani]

Warne was part of unofficial world championships, and held onto the mantle of best in the world.

He was not, and he didn't.

 

[Coronis]

Ask any American who the Greatest Cricketer is and 90% will say Virat Kohli.

I think 90% of Americans would say who gives a **** about cricket?

 

[honestbharani]

I think 90% of Americans would say who gives a **** about cricket?

Nah we have more desis than what you think.

 

[Coronis]

Nah we have more desis than what you think.

iirc there’s 300+ million people in the US. neener neener

 

[honestbharani]

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iirc there’s 300+ million people in the US. neener neener

But they may still know Kohli. And need not be fans to know about the game.