2nd Test (Edgbaston) - July 2nd

[Son Of Coco]

Yeah but this one does.

It literally says "has been prepared to offer “good bounce and pace” true to the tradition of the fiery tracks in Perth" in the 2nd paragraph.

Just because it suggests it will be difficult for India doesn't mean it has strayed from the norm. The Perth pitch in its heyday at the WACA was always an advantage for Australia because of its natural pace and bounce, unless we were playing the Windies in the 80's, in which case we got massacred.

Every year a journalist hacks out an article about the Perth pitch and it's 'pace and bounce' (perhaps aided by the curators indicating this is what they were aiming for to bring back that tradition), and it has rarely been the case for a long, long time, although it is constantly the goal. Perth has suffered from droughts and below average rainfall to the extent that some lakes had dried up completely - I am not sure if this has changed over the past few years, but it was the case when I went there on a water management course a number of years ago. With drop ins at Optus now there's no chance they will replicate the WACA at any stage. Last year had a little bit of go in it, but we'll never see a true Perth pitch produced again. It's not possible, which is a pity because I loved the old fiery WACA wickets, even when the West Indies handed us our arses on it. It was a fantastic spectacle.

I mean, we did such a good job doctoring our pitches during the BGT that had Bumrah been fit in the last test, there's a very good chance you would have pulled off a series draw.

Other teams would have trotted out a road and gone for the draw in that last test to ensure they won the series.

 

[the big bambino]

My view is that this sort of thing is actually less common than people think, and that the main imperatives are principally commercial. The main reason we have good MCG Test pitches now is not because Langer asked them to, it's mostly because they were on the verge of getting banned as a Test venue which would have been a financial catastrophe for quite a lot of people. This is probably also why England's current pitches are the way they are; they think that seeing five days of ~Bazball~ will make more money than something more balanced between bat and ball.

Commercial reasons are more likely to be the motivation for pitch preparation than conspiratorial theories about doctoring.

Except England and India - they cheat.

 

[govinda indian fan]

It literally says "has been prepared to offer “good bounce and pace” true to the tradition of the fiery tracks in Perth" in the 2nd paragraph.

Just because it suggests it will be difficult for India doesn't mean it has strayed from the norm. The Perth pitch in its heyday at the WACA was always an advantage for Australia because of its natural pace and bounce, unless we were playing the Windies in the 80's, in which case we got massacred.

Every year a journalist hacks out an article about the Perth pitch and it's 'pace and bounce' (perhaps aided by the curators indicating this is what they were aiming for to bring back that tradition), and it has rarely been the case for a long, long time, although it is constantly the goal. Perth has suffered from droughts and below average rainfall to the extent that some lakes had dried up completely - I am not sure if this has changed over the past few years, but it was the case when I went there on a water management course a number of years ago. With drop ins at Optus now there's no chance they will replicate the WACA at any stage. Last year had a little bit of go in it, but we'll never see a true Perth pitch produced again. It's not possible, which is a pity because I loved the old fiery WACA wickets, even when the West Indies handed us our arses on it. It was a fantastic spectacle.

I mean, we did such a good job doctoring our pitches during the BGT that had Bumrah been fit in the last test, there's a very good chance you would have pulled off a series draw.

Other teams would have trotted out a road and gone for the draw in that last test to ensure they won the series.

Bumrah geting injured in last test was heartbreaking for me. We would have drawn the series and our streak vs aus would have stayed alive

 

[govinda indian fan]

Commercial reasons are more likely to be the motivation for pitch preparation than conspiratorial theories about doctoring.

Except England and India - they cheat.

Pakistan doctor pitches with industrial fans. They got to be fairest team in the world

 

[the big bambino]

They just kind of come out and admit it lol.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Bumrah geting injured in last test was heartbreaking for me. We would have drawn the series and our streak vs aus would have stayed alive

I think you almost certainly would have too. For us it was a huge relief, but then we also know that it would have probably turned out differently if he was there and bowling.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Pakistan doctor pitches with industrial fans. They got to be fairest team in the world

They should have left them there for the match itself. The pace bowlers would have got some assistance, and every time the umpire spoke, they would have done so in that funny vibrato voice you get when you speak through the back of a fan.

 

[govinda indian fan]

I think you almost certainly would have too. For us it was a huge relief, but then we also know that it would have probably turned out differently if he was there and bowling.

But have to Australia have most diverse conditions for test matches. Perth for bounce gabba for swing. Adelaide for batting sydney for spin and mcg got all of it

 

[Johan]

Is the Lord's curator above McCullum? I read somewhere he reports directly to the president of ECB.

 

[govinda indian fan]

They should have left them there for the match itself. The pace bowlers would have got some assistance, and every time the umpire spoke, they would have done so in that funny vibrato voice you get when you speak through the back of a fan.

Not saying its bad. They are atlest winning matches but problem with rank turners is that your batting goes downhill and your pace bowlers become useless. Balant pitch doctring during rohit- dravid era is biting india on ass now

 

[govinda indian fan]

Is the Lord's curator above McCullum? I read somewhere he reports directly to the president of ECB.

What sort pitch do you reckon lords would be? Green top road or seaming road

 

[Son Of Coco]

But have to Australia have most diverse conditions for test matches. Perth for bounce gabba for swing. Adelaide for batting sydney for spin and mcg got all of it

Well, we used to. I am not sure this is true now though. They became a bit too same same-ish when we went to drop ins in many places. I prefer them the way they are now with a bit in them for the bowlers though instead of that period when we had little rain and hard boring roads almost everywhere.

I mean, even then we still beat England 5-0, but outside of that it wasn't so exciting to watch.

 

[Johan]

What sort pitch do you reckon lords would be? Green top road or seaming road

green top with some pace early on that will die as the game progresses, more traditional English wicket.

 

[Son Of Coco]

The alarming thing for England is they learnt nothing from the Ashes 2 years ago.

Trotted out 2 roads against us and were 2-0 down going into the 3rd test.

Trot out 2 roads this time and are 1-1 and lucky not to be 2-0 down.

 

[Johan]

The alarming thing for England is they learnt nothing from the Ashes 2 years ago.

Trotted out 2 roads against us and we're 2-0 down going into the 3rd test.

Trot out 2 roads this time and are 1-1 and lucky not to be 2-0 down.

weren't the last three tests of the 2023 Ashes bazball wickets too or am I tripping?

 

[CricAddict]

You kinda sound like a TV pundit talking up the next live broadcast. But yes, this series is looking to be quite exciting.

Ha ha yes. I just read it again like how Ravi Shastri does and you are totally right.

 

[honestbharani]

It literally says "has been prepared to offer “good bounce and pace” true to the tradition of the fiery tracks in Perth" in the 2nd paragraph.

Just because it suggests it will be difficult for India doesn't mean it has strayed from the norm. The Perth pitch in its heyday at the WACA was always an advantage for Australia because of its natural pace and bounce, unless we were playing the Windies in the 80's, in which case we got massacred.

Every year a journalist hacks out an article about the Perth pitch and it's 'pace and bounce' (perhaps aided by the curators indicating this is what they were aiming for to bring back that tradition), and it has rarely been the case for a long, long time, although it is constantly the goal. Perth has suffered from droughts and below average rainfall to the extent that some lakes had dried up completely - I am not sure if this has changed over the past few years, but it was the case when I went there on a water management course a number of years ago. With drop ins at Optus now there's no chance they will replicate the WACA at any stage. Last year had a little bit of go in it, but we'll never see a true Perth pitch produced again. It's not possible, which is a pity because I loved the old fiery WACA wickets, even when the West Indies handed us our arses on it. It was a fantastic spectacle.

I mean, we did such a good job doctoring our pitches during the BGT that had Bumrah been fit in the last test, there's a very good chance you would have pulled off a series draw.

Other teams would have trotted out a road and gone for the draw in that last test to ensure they won the series.

I dunno if you read the full article as I see its behind a paywall now. I think it very clearly stated the instructions were to prepare pitches that will make it difficult for Indian batsmen specifically. I dont see a problem with that coz that is what every team does and have always done in the WTC era. Those points become crucial. As long as conditions are not dangerous and/or unfair to one team, I see no issues with it. You seem hung up on some hypothetical moral high ground. I can tell you probably wont be able to find a single link where an Indian curator said he was preparing a turner under instructions either..

 

[ma1978]

Btw, its so annoying coz everytime we win PL pops up and ruins the good vibes. And everytime we lose, cm and skyblue run riot coz of some agenda they have about GG. I was hoping there would be draws and neither would show up but when there are draws they all show up. Damn.

Roger this. PL is the worst sort of Indian fan.

 

[Kirkut]

But have to Australia have most diverse conditions for test matches. Perth for bounce gabba for swing. Adelaide for batting sydney for spin and mcg got all of it

True only till 2010. Then drop-in pitches came and everything got ruined.

 

[Johan]

Not saying its bad. They are atlest winning matches but problem with rank turners is that your batting goes downhill and your pace bowlers become useless. Balant pitch doctring during rohit- dravid era is biting india on ass now

it spun in Sydney in 1985 last. Australia was the flattest place in existence bar Pakistan from about 2001 to 2017, just makes Australians considering these wickets all the more hilarious, though have to say the new pitches are great and make for great cricket.