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2020/21 New Zealand Domestic Season
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jcas0167
International Debutant
I'm slightly disapointed ND aren't in the finals as I would have liked to see Allen take on Southee and Boult.
Obviously it won't show in the highlights, but a seriously good bowling effort by by Solia - 1/23 off 4 overs when his side gave away 230.
They have all the Wellington boundaries at 2 hr 2 min in of the replay. I've been impressed with Blundell's inventiveness and ability to find the fence in the Super Smash.
Obviously it won't show in the highlights, but a seriously good bowling effort by by Solia - 1/23 off 4 overs when his side gave away 230.
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The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
Made me laugh when Stevenson said Blundell should take a split second to see where the ball is being bowled before deciding whether to ramp it or not ... like it can be a non-pre-ordained shot! And then Blundell hit 4-6-4 off the next three balls with ramps.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Black Caps' hopeful Finn Allen's talent evident from his schoolboy days
Rising batting talent demonstrated his quality as a schoolboy with New Zealand Cricket brass watching on from the boundary rope.
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Another day and another write up calling for a spot for Finn Allen vs the Aussies. I feel with Guptill injured and the pressure mounting Stead/Larsen will end up picking Finn Allen.
Amazing story, the bloke was not required by Aces for few years. Although he was picked to be a future black cap by some hadn't had much success before. A month and a half has changed the fortune of the lad. Awesome example for many players in the circuit how a month can change fortunes for a player. Prior super smash he would have been way down in the pecking order and not in the wildest he would have been thought as a contestant for a black caps spot this summer. Surely now the coaches from the past will start taking some credit
To be fair Ben Williams was also instrumental in some of the players from Tauranga in particular one Mr. Kane.I could be wrong but likely this was in 2015-16, Sears, Allen, Ravindra were all part of their respective under 19 sides. I saw first hand these guys at Lincoln. Phillips obviously drew the most attention and probably scored runs every game too. When I watched Phillips then although he scored lots of runs was never quite convincing watching him bat. I thought at best he can be a reasonable white ball player and maybe even over rated. He's proved technique is not the only quality you need to succeed. I think Finn Allen would have blasted a hundred that day vs Wellington. I had never seen a young lad hit the ball so hard like Allen did. At the receiving end was my son too unfortunately. I was so pissed off at Finn Allen in all honesty as he took our boys to cleaners although a bit of me quietly admiring his skills. There was never any doubt he was going to go on and do something special.
I remember Finn Allen from the 17s and the 19s. My lad was playing for Wellington and couple of years older than Finn Allen. Finn Allen was there always with the Auckland age group sides although he was like couple of years younger than the rest of the lads. The names that are going around now such as Phillips, Ben Sears, Josh Finnie, Leopard, Nathan Smith, Rachin Ravindra, Josh Clarkson etc were all representing the age group then. One game that sticks out from memory was an under 17 game in Wellington. I think Wellington needed something ridiculous like 7 or 8 runs per over or something with CD declaring in the last session of a game. Don't know exact scores but something like 250 in like 30 overs. One small diminutive young lad blasted like half a dozen sixes and took Wellington to victory. Then the little Ravindra, small in stature, probably aged like 12 or 13 smashed it all over the park with absolute class. No slogging... It's no surprise these guys are slowly rising. They were outstanding performers then and they are outstanding performers now.
Nathan Smith was a solid performer for Otago, he was quite quick then at least for the age group. He could bat too and field real well. He was unplayable in that tournament at Lincoln. Swung the ball both ways, knocked over guys for fun. I then thought he will be playing for BCs by the time he was like 20. A bit like Southee of young.
Ben Sears was not all that outstanding from memory. Bowled absolute gas, the fastest on the park then too but bowled wides, no balls and sprayed all over. Most of the runs scored against him was probably through third man and fine leg. I think he opened batting with Ravindra for Wellington if I'm not wrong. The lad can bat but he bats so low down the order for firebirds his batting has taken back seat.
Awesome to see these young dudes from the past stand up and get noticed. The age group tourneys are such important tourneys and provides good platform to play under pressure. In the past there used to be under 15s, under 17s and the under 19s. The under 15s used to be 3 day games but they have scrapped this now. The under 17s didn't happen this year and I'm hoping they have not scrapped this forever. We need these grass root tourneys to keep churning good players. They are usually not made at first class but way before.
Looks like Foxcroft won't be playing for Otago anytime soon.
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OCA mystified by attitude to Foxcroft
Bewildered. That's how OCA chief executive Mike Coggan is feeling after learning that seemingly every Tom, Dick and Harry is being let in to play...
The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
Seems absolutely ridiculous. What a difference he would have made to Otago this season, as well.Looks like Foxcroft won't be playing for Otago anytime soon.
OCA mystified by attitude to Foxcroft
Bewildered. That's how OCA chief executive Mike Coggan is feeling after learning that seemingly every Tom, Dick and Harry is being let in to play...
Totally agree, especially when he could be a future blackcap.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
There goes the chance for Foxcroft to qualify for BC for the next three years at least. He had to do three consecutive years in NZ to qualify. He has to restart from next year and has to reside in NZ for three years (minimum number of days or should have played half the domestic games I think) playing cricket.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
I hope Foxcroft comes back, but I dont mind that his 3 year residency has been scuttled. 3 years is too short IMO.
He could start the clock again .... who knows, by then he might have put down enough roots not to , when his job was called off a few weeks early due to a pandemic, to travel back to his home country during a global pandemic.
He could start the clock again .... who knows, by then he might have put down enough roots not to , when his job was called off a few weeks early due to a pandemic, to travel back to his home country during a global pandemic.
jcas0167
International Debutant
I think others have said the ICC have some discretion for exceptional circumstances, which these clearly are. That is infuriating that rugby and basketball players are apparently subject to different rules. I hope that David White and NZC are not just leaving this to Otago to resolve.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah you can apply to the ICC for dispensation regarding qualification rules. I remember Joyce and Rankin being granted exemptions to go back to Ireland earlier than they were meant to (and Hamish Marshall being knocked back a request to do the same)
They'd have to be pretty big ****s to knock this one back if he makes his way back over ASAP and doesn't play pro cricket in South Africa in the gap.
I didn't want to quote your whole post but I bloody enjoyed it. At U17 and U19 level, you get a really good sense of who's going to make it. Who has more time at the crease, who has that mature approach to their game, who has that ability to go 140km + etc.Black Caps' hopeful Finn Allen's talent evident from his schoolboy days
Rising batting talent demonstrated his quality as a schoolboy with New Zealand Cricket brass watching on from the boundary rope.
As much as St Kent's is seen as a private school with all the resources and ability to bring talent in at will (moreso rugby), Finn would only be their third Black Cap and first since Mark Richardson. Underperformed in that regard.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Yeah you get a feel for the special players most of the times. It's quite a journey I tell ya when you have a kid in the same team competing with these stand out guys. You are cut off between appreciation and jealously initially. I'm being frank here. You just wonder why your kid can't do that these can. I suppose most parents are in the same boat initially. After few years, appreciation for these stand out players grow and you become their fan. You'll also come to realize there's lot more than making the team that makes these players. They are absolutely driven and that I guess that's the only difference between players at that level.
Another instance I remember is when I dropped off my kid for the local u17s selection game at a local Wellington ground. Probably a 2 day or a 3 day game. Ravindra was like 11, 12 or of something of that age. Probably looked like 9. Sears couple more years older likely. My lad was like we have to bowl all day if we lost the toss. I was like who has the patience to bat that long at that age group and told him not to worry he will knock over few guys. I went to the ground to drop off lunch for my son and Ravindra had opened the batting was batting still. I went back to work and got back to pick my son up about an hour or two prior end of the day and Ravindra was still batting. Next day, same sequences and same story. I guess he would have batted 2 days in a row. By then I had ran out of all the tips I could give my son to get him out. By the third day I just said to my son it's awesome he gets to bowl so many spells to keep him positive but somewhere along the chat I said forget this game wait for them to declare
I am reminded about that hapless conversation even today.Another story goes like this, Glenn Phillips playing for under 19 was scoring runs like no other. If he held the bat it was almost as if the opponents just gave up. The boys always said Phillips was a bit eccentric. He used to tap the pitch and talk to the pitch often. Conversations went like, be good to me today, you are awesome today, look after me, don't seam, don't turn etc... funny to hear that. There was a time he hit a ball a long way and made ambulance noises while they looked for the ball
If he did that now in international cricket he would be a cult figure.Have heard a lot of such stories and fun days those. Time flew going to a game to watch the lads play. The anticipation was amazing. Now looking back we figure it was just some age group cricket, no one died but then it felt like a chappell hadlee trophy with lives on hold. All the kids that we nearly hated for being so good, we now love them most
The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
Listening to him on the player-mike I actually don't think he's changed much lolAnother story goes like this, Glenn Phillips playing for under 19 was scoring runs like no other. If he held the bat it was almost as if the opponents just gave up. The boys always said Phillips was a bit eccentric. He used to tap the pitch and talk to the pitch often. Conversations went like, be good to me today, you are awesome today, look after me, don't seam, don't turn etc... funny to hear that. There was a time he hit a ball a long way and made ambulance noises while they looked for the ball
thierry henry
International Coach
Yeah was about to say...Phillips is clearly very weird
thundaboult
International Debutant
Best post I've read on here. Its one of the main two reasons I come to this forum. Getting to hear some personal/humanizing stories about the future players of BC cricket. Hope these guys never lose that drive and achieve some monumental things for their country. There is nothing like having a passion for something you love.Yeah you get a feel for the special players most of the times. It's quite a journey I tell ya when you have a kid in the same team competing with these stand out guys. You are cut off between appreciation and jealously initially. I'm being frank here. You just wonder why your kid can't do that these can. I suppose most parents are in the same boat initially. After few years, appreciation for these stand out players grow and you become their fan. You'll also come to realize there's lot more than making the team that makes these players. They are absolutely driven and that I guess that's the only difference between players at that level.
Another instance I remember is when I dropped off my kid for the local u17s selection game at a local Wellington ground. Probably a 2 day or a 3 day game. Ravindra was like 11, 12 or of something of that age. Probably looked like 9. Sears couple more years older likely. My lad was like we have to bowl all day if we lost the toss. I was like who has the patience to bat that long at that age group and told him not to worry he will knock over few guys. I went to the ground to drop off lunch for my son and Ravindra had opened the batting was batting still. I went back to work and got back to pick my son up about an hour or two prior end of the day and Ravindra was still batting. Next day, same sequences and same story. I guess he would have batted 2 days in a row. By then I had ran out of all the tips I could give my son to get him out. By the third day I just said to my son it's awesome he gets to bowl so many spells to keep him positive but somewhere along the chat I said forget this game wait for them to declare
Another story goes like this, Glenn Phillips playing for under 19 was scoring runs like no other. If he held the bat it was almost as if the opponents just gave up. The boys always said Phillips was a bit eccentric. He used to tap the pitch and talk to the pitch often. Conversations went like, be good to me today, you are awesome today, look after me, don't seam, don't turn etc... funny to hear that. There was a time he hit a ball a long way and made ambulance noises while they looked for the ball
Have heard a lot of such stories and fun days those. Time flew going to a game to watch the lads play. The anticipation was amazing. Now looking back we figure it was just some age group cricket, no one died but then it felt like a chappell hadlee trophy with lives on hold. All the kids that we nearly hated for being so good, we now love them most
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nzfan
International Vice-Captain
This is a different Weerasundara though... Raki Weerasundara's younger brother.