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BCCI Faces Its Toughest Challenge

honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Dasa said:
Nah, the point is he could've batted but the treatment (just because of blood etc) would've eaten into the time left, leaving no time to get a few overs at the Aussies before stumps.
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Actually, it was already treated. That is the point. Sourav mentioned it very specifically when the Multan declaration issue was on the front pages.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
viktor said:
Yes, if the seniors aren't providing leadership in any way, this needs to be addressed. If they were creating an alternate power center, this also needs to be addressed.

EDIT: At this point, I can't remember what my original point was...one of problems with arguing from work, but I believe my issue was with people saying we lost because of the "bad attitude". We lost because we played badly which may have had the attitude as a contributing factor.
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yeah, but I am not one of those people. I am sure that we simply just didn't have what it takes to go to the next level, but it hurts far lesser when you know that your team tried their best and weren't still good enough than when you know that the team was already divided and weren't exactly playing as a team.
 
viktor

viktor

State Vice-Captain
^^ Arguing with the wrong guy, huh? Stupid of me. Anyway, Chappell might be offered an advisory position. Not a bad idea, let him actually work with the youngsters and improve the feeder line.
 
Anil

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
viktor said:
^^ Arguing with the wrong guy, huh? Stupid of me. Anyway, Chappell might be offered an advisory position. Not a bad idea, let him actually work with the youngsters and improve the feeder line.
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he hasn't agreed yet, he has asked for a month to think about it...but i think he could be good at that job and i hope he accepts...
 
viktor

viktor

State Vice-Captain
Yeah, he might be able to do a good job there. Also, interesting that they are now planning to appoint paid media and administrative managers. Not huge in the whole scheme of things, nevertheless, a step in the right direction.
Shastri as manager, hmmm. He has a good cricket brain (IMO) but no experience..could be interesting if he is appointed for a longer time. btw, if they have an admin manager to manage logistics, a media manager for the media and specialised coaches, what is the cricket manager's job? Strategy and analysis? In that case, someone like Shastri mightn't be too bad.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
adharcric said:
Tendulkar is certainly at fault but the degree to which he is still up in the air. How do you know he conspired against his captain and his coach? Have you been hiding in the dressing room for the past year? Didn't think so. Until someone beyond the media confirms any of this, it doesn't carry too much weight. You will definitely accuse me of "defending my idol" here, but Tendulkar may have come out in the open only after he knew that Chappell was finished as the coach. Anyways, that's not the point.
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Blah Blah Blah...
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Typical political solution by the BCCI. They had a chance to clean the mess and they blow it.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Anil said:
how do you think they should've handled it?
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I am not an expert but I also know that Greg Chappell is a crap Coach, He just cant coach Senior or Juniors. Drop Chappell for Good.

The real Culprits and non performer like Sehwag, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Bhajji are still there. No action has been taken against them. Drop all four of them from national team, ban them from leading even their state or any other domestic teams.
 
Anil

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Sanz said:
I am not an expert but I also know that Greg Chappell is a crap Coach, He just cant coach Senior or Juniors. Drop Chappell for Good.

The real Culprits and non performer like Sehwag, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Bhajji are still there. No action has been taken against them. Drop all four of them from national team, ban them from leading even their state or any other domestic teams.
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i am not sure chappell would be so bad with the youngsters...so i guess we have to agree to disagree there...

as for culprits i suppose you mean the alleged conspiracy of the senior players against chappell and dravid...chappell has not specifically pointed fingers at any player(s) in his report, haven't heard that dravid has done so either so without solid evidence that they underperformed or didn't support their captain or something(not saying it couldn't have happened), how is the board to take action? the notice to tendulkar and yuvraj to issue explanations for their comments to the media is a step in the right direction especially the one against tendulkar...as also the decision to stick with dravid even with news flying around that most of the team is united behind tendulkar...

as for performance, ganguly doesn't deserve to be dropped on that basis right now, i agree about the other three...
 
adharcric

adharcric

International Coach
Sanz said:
I am not an expert but I also know that Greg Chappell is a crap Coach, He just cant coach Senior or Juniors. Drop Chappell for Good.

The real Culprits and non performer like Sehwag, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Bhajji are still there. No action has been taken against them. Drop all four of them from national team, ban them from leading even their state or any other domestic teams.
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Chappell was poor with the media and had issues with the seniors but had a good rapport with the youngsters (makes sense tbh). Definitely the right man for the job IMO. That last comment of yours is laughable but if you feel they should be dropped, fair enough. I would drop Sehwag permanently and the other three for the Bangladesh one-day series. The squad for Bangladesh hasn't been selected yet - how are they supposed to drop these guys? By the way, indications are that the big boys will be dropped for the tour.
Anil said:
i am not sure chappell would be so bad with the youngsters...so i guess we have to agree to disagree there...

as for culprits i suppose you mean the alleged conspiracy of the senior players against chappell and dravid...chappell has not specifically pointed fingers at any player(s) in his report, haven't heard that dravid has done so either so without solid evidence that they underperformed or didn't support their captain or something(not saying it couldn't have happened), how is the board to take action? the notice to tendulkar and yuvraj to issue explanations for their comments to the media is a step in the right direction especially the one against tendulkar...as also the decision to stick with dravid even with news flying around that most of the team is united behind tendulkar...

as for performance, ganguly doesn't deserve to be dropped on that basis right now, i agree about the other three...
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Completely agree.
 
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Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Tendulkar was wrong in going public and has rightly been asked for an explaination. Good moves over all by the BCCI apart from the sponsorship bit which is likely to be illegal.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Pratyush said:
Tendulkar was wrong in going public and has rightly been asked for an explaination. Good moves over all by the BCCI apart from the sponsorship bit which is likely to be illegal.
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I believe it is only for the contracted players, in which case it might not be illegal. You sign a contract with the BCCI and one of the provisions is that you can't endorse more than 3 brands... If you don't like that, don't sign the damn contract. End of story. There is no indication as yet that only contracted players should be considered for selection for Team India.


And it is laughable when guys like Sachin and Sourav talk about having to make money while they are still playing. If they don't make another penny for the rest of their lives, they would still be pretty well off. That is what gets to me, really. When the really really really rich senior players of India talk about having to earn when they "can". These guys (at least Sachin) already have contracts to become analysts or commentators with channels already. Its not like they are gonna be out of work once they quit. I can understand the youngsters saying stuff like that but to hear the seniors say that is just..................I dont wanna mention the word.
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
honestbharani said:
I believe it is only for the contracted players, in which case it might not be illegal. You sign a contract with the BCCI and one of the provisions is that you can't endorse more than 3 brands... If you don't like that, don't sign the damn contract. End of story. There is no indication as yet that only contracted players should be considered for selection for Team India.


And it is laughable when guys like Sachin and Sourav talk about having to make money while they are still playing. If they don't make another penny for the rest of their lives, they would still be pretty well off. That is what gets to me, really. When the really really really rich senior players of India talk about having to earn when they "can". These guys (at least Sachin) already have contracts to become analysts or commentators with channels already. Its not like they are gonna be out of work once they quit. I can understand the youngsters saying stuff like that but to hear the seniors say that is just..................I dont wanna mention the word.
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Two parts..

Firstly, for the future, yes. But what about the past regarding the contracts with the sponsors players have already signed in consultation with the board? It is all not crystal clear for the moment for me which will be in the coming days without any conflicts with sponsors hopefully.

Second part.. I don't grudge professional sports persons making money as they have limited playing lives and not every one is a super star. Even for superstars, they are not stealing any one's money and so the multiple sponsorships in the past was not a problem for me.
 
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honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Pratyush said:
Two parts..

Firstly, for the future, yes. But what about the past regarding the contracts with the sponsors players have already signed in consultation with the board?

Second part.. I don't grudge professional sports persons making money as they have limited playing lives and not every one is a super star. Even for superstars, they are not stealing any one's money and so the multiple sponsorships in the past was not a problem for me.
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Well, yeah, I understand that there are complications unless they draw up fresh contracts. The existing ones are over, anyways, as far as I can understand the issue. That is why they have been drawing up the new contracts for such a long time now.


Secondly, no, I don't mind them making as much money as they can either. It is when they come out and speak as though they don't know from where their next paisa is gonna come from that I get worked up. And by they, I mean the superstars......
 
adharcric

adharcric

International Coach
honestbharani said:
Secondly, no, I don't mind them making as much money as they can either. It is when they come out and speak as though they don't know from where their next paisa is gonna come from that I get worked up. And by they, I mean the superstars......
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I agree. That reminds me, I heard some stupid girl (who probably doesn't know **** about the sport) on a HT cricket talk show today slamming the BCCI for cutting down on player's advertisements. Apparently, they need to be able to support their families. Can anyone be that ********? I guess so.
 
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