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    Name an overrated and an underrated cricketer

    I enjoyed reading these peer ratings. Interesting to see Bruce Reid rated above Donald in one list.
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    I'll just have to accept that you won't be voting for Greig in the immediate future, just as you have to accept that I (and others) have already voted for him. That's what these polls are all about. Opinions, perceptions and facts. Viva la difference.
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    As I mentioned, I don't regard FC figures as being particularly relevant. However, as you have compared his batting averages, I think you should do the same with his bowling stats where his FC figures are superior to his Test figures (not relevant, but interesting). Greig also suffered epilepsy...
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    Points taken. I acknowledge the fallacy in my comparisons. However, regarding comparing FC averages with Test averages, there have been many cases where players have a superior average on the Test stage. There can be several explanations. The more obvious one might be that their Test career was...
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    Re Tony Greig. He played 58 Tests, not to mention WSC. If you wish to downgrade him on a lack of longevity, perhaps I should point out that Miller and Faulkner (already voted into the Top Ten) played fewer Tests than Greig.
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    Voting for him doesn't upset my poll nor do I disagree with your opening comment. I expect some members will vote for him, while others may continue to ignore him. That's their prerogative. His low WPM (0.98) and bowling average (37.81) reduce my perception of him as an all-rounder but I have...
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    2025 Ranking of All Rounders Poll

    Greig Goddard Jadeja
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    2025 Ranking of All Rounders Poll

    24 hours have passed since Round 3 of our poll was open. Great to see over 20 voters and a clear cut 3 additions to our list. A.Faulkner 34 S.Pollock 30 Kapil Dev 25 Hammond 11 R.Jadeja 6 Shakib al Hasan 6 T.Greig 3 M.Procter 3 T.Goddard 3 A.Border 3 P.Cummins 2 Voting is now open for...
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    @kyear2 The whole point of this exercise is to rank Test all-rounders - not to wedge in specialist batsmen or bowlers ahead of genuine all-rounders. I concur that selecting players simply to have an "all rounder" in the side might weaken a team by keeping out a specialist. I also agree that some...
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    Best overseas batsmen In Australia

    How about Chris Broad? In 6 Tests he scored 2 centuries, 4 fifties and 626 runs @ 78.25
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    No need for an apology. Re-reading my post I see I gave that impression.
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    I agree. Hence you won't see me voting for Hammond as a genuine all rounder. Perhaps a batting average over 25 (Wasim's was 22.64) and a WPM over 1 and a bowling average under 40 (Hammond's figures are 0.98 and 37.82) could be arbitrary guidelines. Lines need to be drawn somewhere but, as we...
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    I think the issue here is we have what I call "borderline all rounders" - players whose secondary skill (be it batting or bowling) is considerably less highly regarded than their primary skill. I see Hammond in this category (WPM < 1) but his usefulness as a part-time bowler qualifies him as an...
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    Should England play Afghanistan?

    I briefly tried to find this but failed. Could a mod shift my OP to this site please
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    Should England play Afghanistan?

    England has been drawn to play Afghanistan in this Tournament and the ECB are under considerable political pressure to boycott that fixture due to Afghanistan's connection with the Taliban and the abuse of human rights. Politics and sport have been closely linked - especially in recent times -...
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    Each round there seems to be a greater variety of contenders. I keep having "I forgot about him" moments. @Prince EWS Faulkner seems to be polling this round. Keep plugging for Hammond and Goddard (just as @Burgey does with Border and Cummins). I'll probably be pushing the Greig case for a few...
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    All Rounders Poll - Discussion

    I've added an extra column (WPM) to the table of results. Perhaps a relatively low WPM counted against Kallis in the first round. He still ranks 4th in the results. @Coronis You hate the outcome yet your 3 nominations, when you voted in the first round, are ranked 1st, 2nd and 4th. Is your...
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    2025 Ranking of All Rounders Poll

    S.Pollock K.Dev T.Greig
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    2025 Ranking of All Rounders Poll

    Twenty voters this round (down a bit from the first round) and, once again, the leading two are well defined but only one vote splits the final two contenders. J.Kallis 48 I.Botham 26 R.Hadlee 14 G.Faulkner 13 S.Pollock 6 K.Dev 3 W.Grace 3 P.Cummins 3 W.Hammond 2 A.Border 2 Voting is now open...

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