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    All time world ODI XI game

    Richards Murali Garner Although I went with Murali as my spinner I'm surprised that to date no one has mentioned Derek Underwood. He would be a close No.2 for me.
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    All time world ODI XI game

    Great choices! Gilchrist, Garner and McGrath for me too. Wasim Akram would be my third seamer.
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    Ranking the candidates for the second best batsman after the Don. 25 contenders

    My list: 1. Hobbs 2. Sobers 3. V. Richards 4. B. Richards 5. Grace 6. Tendulkar 7. Headley 8. Hammond 9. Hutton 10. Lara 11. Pollock 12. Trumper 13. Chappell 14. Weekes 15. Gavaskar 16. Ponting 17. Border 18. Sangakkara 19. Kallis 20. Sutcliffe 21. Ranji 22. Waugh 23. Walcott 24. Javed Miandad...
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    CW decides the greatest All-Rounder ever, 64 man knockout tournament: Voting Thread

    When bowling his seamers Sobers was a fast-medium bowler. He was never fast in the sense in which Tyson or Hall or Lillee or Thomson or Holding were fast, but in his prime (roughly between 1962 and 1970) his pace was distinctly above military medium. After that period age and a knee injury...
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    CW decides the greatest All-Rounder ever, 64 man knockout tournament: Voting Thread

    Sobers. He is simply the most versatile player the game has ever seen.
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    Rohan Kanhai

    He was one of my boyhood heroes. My dream was always to see a long partnership between Kanhai and Sobers. Even today I consider him the most consistently exciting batsman I ever saw, apart from the sole exception of Viv Richards.
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    Top Five Most Underrated Cricketers Ever.

    But we need a rather more sophisticated and context-sensitive definition of "results" than you have provided to date. I'm not opposed to statistical analysis. I'm a baseball fan, and sabermetricians such as Bill James conduct very sophisticated analyses for that sport, enabling us to...
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    Top Five Most Underrated Cricketers Ever.

    Um... some of us actually saw Sobers play many times, and our assessment of his abilities is based on that experience. In fact, it's quite telling that few, if any, people who saw the man in action believe that he was overrated as a bowler or anything else. Bishan Bedi, Geoff Boycott, Ted...
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    Top Five Most Underrated Cricketers Ever.

    Absolutely. Longtime posters will know that we have had this discussion before, and I don't want to derail the thread by rehashing it. I would only say that virtually everyone who saw Test cricket in the 1960's agreed that Sobers would have been selected for a strong Test side with either bat...
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    Top Five Most Underrated Cricketers Ever.

    Sobers was initially selected for the West Indies as a bowler. In his prime (the 1960's) he maintained his place as a bowler alone. He was one of the four leading West Indian bowlers (the others were Hall, Griffith and Gibbs) in a period when the West Indies were the best team in the world...
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    Am I the only person who thinks Kallis was a better player than Tendulkar?

    This was not a straightforward Kallis vs. Sobers comparison. Respondents were asked to select the best all-rounder of all time from a list of ten options, which included Botham, Gilchrist, Imran and Miller but not other names that should have been there such as Wilfred Rhodes or Mike Procter...
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    Am I the only person who thinks Kallis was a better player than Tendulkar?

    There is only one player who would always have been universally considered to be the best in any category - Sydney Barnes as a medium pacer. Many of those who saw Hobbs considered him superior to Bradman because of his skill on bad wickets. Similarly, during Bradman's prime in the 1930's some...
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    Kallis retires from Tests

    A fifth front line bowler is an extremely valuable asset for any captain even if you assume an outstanding bowling attack such as an all time WI or SA team. To take Cricinfo's selections, for example, the WI attack would consist of Marshall, Ambrose, Holding, Sobers and Gibbs. One of the main...
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    Third Name Listed for ATG XI

    There were certainly some observers who rated Taylor as a more consistently excellent performer than Knott behind the stumps, but I'm not sure that this was ever the consensus view. Personally I admired both men very much indeed. In fact, they remain the two best wicketkeepers I have ever...
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    Kallis retires from Tests

    The logic of this claim is, to put it mildly, elusive. It would be just as easy to argue the reverse.
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    Kallis retires from Tests

    Lots to discuss here, but I'll address just one issue. Why are bowling all-rounders considered superior to batting ones? I have not seen any analysis to support this view. The traditional definition of an all-rounder is someone who could make a strong team with either bat or ball. By this...
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    Third Name Listed for ATG XI

    Excellent summary. Gilchrist is probably the consensus choice, although according to the Richard Sydenham book that Watson discussed in the "best ever" thread, many prefer Knott. Gilchrist cannot, however, by any stretch of the imagination be described as an automatic choice comparable to...
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    Third Name Listed for ATG XI

    Why, precisely, is Gilchrist so far ahead of say, Les Ames? Ames was a brilliant wicketkeeper who scored a hundred centuries in first class cricket despite missing six of his best seasons because of the Second World War. If you value batting ability in a wicketkeeper very highly, Clyde Walcott...
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    Who is South Africa's Greatest Batsman

    For what it's worth Lillee is not the only player to have expressed such sentiments. Both Garry Sobers and Barry Richards are on record as saying that Pollock was not entirely comfortable against short pitched fast bowling. There is no doubt, however, that both Pollock and Richards are among...
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    Which Decade Produced The Greatest Players?

    I agree entirely with Taylor over Jayasuriya. In fact, I'm astonished that I missed him in the first place. Azharuddin versus De Silva is a much closer call.

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