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    Richard Hadlee vs Curtly Ambrose

    @smash84 actually underestimated Hadlee's margin: he has 33 1/3% more POTS than Marshall who has 25% fewer POTS than Hadlee (8 is 33 1/3% bigger than 6 which is 25% smaller than 8). Hadlee has just one POTS against SL, BTW, not two unless you were talking about the number of series played...
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    Richard Hadlee vs Curtly Ambrose

    4 Hadlees bowling together is not the same as 4 x 1 Hadlee bowling with Chatfield, etc. Each cloned Hadlee would have a smaller workload than the flogged-to-death singleton Hadlee and so each cloned Hadlee would probably have a better average and SR than the singleton Hadlee. Each cloned Ambrose...
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    Tendulkar/Hobbs vs Marshall/McGrath

    Here are the 13 Test wins that Hadlee and Crowe shared: Here are the batting stats of Crowe and Hadlee in those 13 wins: Crowe: Astonishingly, Crowe managed just one century (out of his 17 Test centuries) in those 13 wins and I included the match by match list in the above image to show...
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    Is imran overated as bowler

    Subz, as far as I'm aware, no other bowler of that era had a bottle top company named after themselves except Imran who had Imran Crown Cork. Their website says they started in 1981 but if you look up the LinkedIn profile of founding member, Iqbal Karim, you can more precisely pin down the...
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    Ian Botham vs Fred Trueman

    You specifically wrote, "I can't find ... anything where Hadlee is called ... the best of his era.". Marshall called him that. He said "undoubtedly". He knew the man from playing seven Tests against each other and from years and years of shared county cricket. Are you disagreeing with him? Are...
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    Ian Botham vs Fred Trueman

    ICC Test bowling rating = [complicated mathematical formula] + 100 x number of times flicked bails off stumps + 200 x number of times barged Fred Goodall
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    Ian Botham vs Fred Trueman

    Luffy, I know you're not a big fan of the ICC ratings system (neither am I for that matter) but I thought that you still might like to see (if you haven't already) a couple of attractive videos which show how the ICC Test bowling #1 ranking has changed from 1970 to 2020 (half a century!) and...
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Richard Hadlee

    As I understand it, this is @kyear2's current classification scheme: Tier 1 GOAT A: Marshall Tier 1 GOAT B: McGrath Tier 1 non-GOAT: Hadlee or it could be: Tier 1 GOAT 1: Marshall Tier 1 GOAT 2: McGrath Tier 1 non-GOAT: Hadlee This is my current (and forever more) classification scheme...
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    Ian Botham vs Fred Trueman

    As I posted here, Marshall did. He even used the word "undoubtedly". Bradman himself said, "No bowler I’ve seen had better control of seam and swing.” (I actually heard him say it on a radio broadcast many years ago) Sobers wrote of Hadlee in his autobiography, "I rated him right up there...
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Richard Hadlee

    This was the first Test of Hadlee's golden run which went from February 1978 to July 1990 (12 years 5 months). Over this time span, he bowled in 119 innings (out of a career total of 150) and in 118 of them, he was in the #1 bowling position. The innings shown in the above clip (his second...
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Richard Hadlee

    I thought that was Tim Berners-Lee!
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Richard Hadlee

    Hadlee on Marshall: from https://www.espn.com/cricket/story/_/id/18515643/my-father-contribution-game-extraordinary:
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Richard Hadlee

    Marshall himself thought that Hadlee "was undoubtedly the best bowler" in his era (maybe he was being modest like Hadlee about Lillee): from https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=EF_jESQMqTgC&pg=PA86&source=gbs_selected_pages&hl=en&pli=1#v=onepage&q&f=true: (this is taken from the 1994 book...
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    Kapil Dev vs Courtney Walsh

    There's a company out there called Imran Crown Cork (the initials are ICC!): It was clearly named after Imran Khan, presumably with his permission, and was founded in 1981: Here are a couple of their products: The next year, 1982/83, Imran took his 40 wickets against India at 13.95...
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    Richard Hadlee vs Sachin Tendulkar

    He was beaten into second place by Herbert Sutcliffe and by the time he achieved his highest rating of 897, Bradman had taken over:
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    Richard Hadlee vs Sachin Tendulkar

    I don't think Tubby would have been too pleased! To be honest, he wasn't exactly being "man's best friend" when he bit that engineering professor who was trying to save him. I believe that man got off the bridge in the nick of time (it might have collapsed less than a minute later). But yes...
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    Richard Hadlee vs Sachin Tendulkar

    I know that ICC ratings and rankings are suspect but my job here, as a loyal Hadlee supporter, is to present those metrics which make him look good compared to Sachin. Hence this post. What I like about Hadlee's ICC Test Bowling Ranking graph is that it seems to have a horizontal asymptote at y...
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    Richard Hadlee vs Sachin Tendulkar

    Hadlee has been effusive in his praise of Tendulkar and would probably rate him above himself (as he did Lillee): from https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/tendulkar-the-greatest-hadlee-398076 (April 2009 article): Tendulkar says a few things about Hadlee in his 2014 autobiography "Playing...
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    Pick the ideal batsman for these scenarios

    Hadlee was certainly capable of getting awkward bounce and used that ability to give Zaheer Abbas all sorts of trouble when Pakistan toured here in 1985 (Hadlee would have been 33). The commentators would say things like, "Zaheer has difficulty with bouncers, now that he's getting older" but I...
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    *Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

    Well, he called his list "all-time" so he should be thinking about the past a bit, i.e. before his time. And it takes only a cursory glance at the historical rankings, ratings and records to see that Hadlee should be there. He was speaking off the cuff so maybe that was the reason why but it's a...

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