All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[ataraxia]

Cameron never even scored a test ton. His entire reputation is based on one over. Imtiaz Ahmed was the first wicket keeper to score a double century in tests.

Scoring 200 on a flat turf wicket at home against the might of Johnny Hayes and Harry Cave? What an effort. You could base a reputation on that.

 

[trundler]

Scoring 200 on a flat turf wicket at home against the might of Johnny Hayes and Harry Cave? What an effort. You could base a reputation on that.

No wicket keeper managed even that before him and none did it for 25 more years. He also scored 2 other centuries against Cameron's 0.

 

[kyear2]

It would appear that highly rated glovemen like Tallon, Evans, Oldfield et al aren't ranked as highly on CW. A greater emphasis is being put on keeper/batsmen ... with the batsman aspect the major factor.

The entire keeping selections have been downright awful tbh. Evans and Cameron just fighting for selection is ridiculous

 

[Coronis]

I personally would say Saeed Anwar being the 29th opener selected is far more egregious than many of the other selections. Unsure why he’s being so underrated.

 

[ataraxia]

I personally would say Saeed Anwar being the 29th opener selected is far more egregious than many of the other selections. Unsure why he’s being so underrated.

Nah he's two tiers below Hanif. Classic case of a great ODI career being merged with a worse test one resulting in a seriously overrated player, much like Viv Richards or Dennis Lillee.

 

[morgieb]

I personally would say Saeed Anwar being the 29th opener selected is far more egregious than many of the other selections. Unsure why he’s being so underrated.

Anwar's raw figures are really good but the problem is that he only played about six years. Fails the longetivity test compared to others ahead of him.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I see the non-selection of Martin Donnelly worse to be honest.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I see the non-selection of Martin Donnelly worse to be honest.

Wasn't Taylor selected ahead of him in the NZ XI as well?

 

[trundler]

Nah he's two tiers below Hanif. Classic case of a great ODI career being merged with a worse test one resulting in a seriously overrated player, much like Viv Richards or Dennis Lillee.

The more lolworthy stance is Gooch being better than Hanif

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Wasn't Taylor selected ahead of him in the NZ XI as well?

Yeah. Taylor had the longer and obviously better career, but Donnelly was a top level bat.

A lot of people put the likes of Smith, Mitchell, and Kirsten ahead of Barry R on test career but consider Barry better than all 3.

 

[Coronis]

Nah he's two tiers below Hanif. Classic case of a great ODI career being merged with a worse test one resulting in a seriously overrated player, much like Viv Richards or Dennis Lillee.

You know I’m basically the opposite of someone who would let that affect me right?

 

[kyear2]

Nah he's two tiers below Hanif. Classic case of a great ODI career being merged with a worse test one resulting in a seriously overrated player, much like Viv Richards or Dennis Lillee.

I don't recall Lillee being an outstanding odi player and that was never the reason Lillee was highly rated. If there is such a player, it would be Wasim.

To think that's why Viv is highly rated as a test player also requires one to ignore a peak that, outside of Bradman is likely the greatest ever, and dominant performances and tours against some of the greatest bowlers of all time, often in their back yard.

 

[ataraxia]

You know I’m basically the opposite of someone who would let that affect me right?

Which is precisely why you'd be sympathetic to said argument.

 

[sayon basak]

Ian Chappell
Hugh Trumble
Martin Donnelly
Godfrey Evans
Jack Gregory

A) Chappell
B) Trumble
C) Donnelly
D) Evans
E) Gregory

The objectively right answer.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The objectively right answer.

I hadn't even noticed your picks

 

[capt_Luffy]

Why is Martindale getting so many votes ahead of Constantine again? The online difference in their Test record is a game in a horrible wet pitch which Constantine missed. Baron has significantly better FC numbers, even better reputation, and was a borderline all-rounder.

 

[kingkallis]

Why is Martindale getting so many votes ahead of Constantine again? The online difference in their Test record is a game in a horrible wet pitch which Constantine missed. Baron has significantly better FC numbers, even better reputation, and was a borderline all-rounder.

It comes down to personal choices, bro.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It comes down to personal choices, bro.

Ig you could say, unless you think Martindale and Constantine aren't close as cricketers. I mean, you can say Zaheer vs Srinath is personal choice, atmost Zaheer vs Ishant; but does it makes sense for Irphan over Zaheer?

 

[kingkallis]

Ig you could say, unless you think Martindale and Constantine aren't close as cricketers. I mean, you can say Zaheer vs Srinath is personal choice, atmost Zaheer vs Ishant; but does it makes sense for Irphan over Zaheer?

If more people are voting for Manny instead of Baron then its simple. More CWers believes that Manny could be more useful in this XI.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If more people are voting for Manny instead of Baron then its simple. More CWers believes that Manny could be more useful in this XI.

I mean, sure they do, I just think they are quite a bit off here. Manny and Baron both had very limited Test careers, and the difference in record there is strictly for a single match in a horrendous pitch which Learie missed. Constantine played twice as many FC games, averaged 5 less with the ball and was considered amongst the best bowlers of his Era, Manny never was. He also was a hard hitting borderline all-rounder and a top class fielder. Not to mention he was an absolute star in the Lancashire League.