Thala_0710
International Captain
Yeah I rate him higher with the gloves
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All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread
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Thala_0710
International Captain
He isn't, he won't
Thala_0710
International Captain
Cook and Sehwag might though
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
actual cringe
Thala_0710
International Captain
I have Gooch over both, but it isn't egregious
Line and Length
International Coach
70 innings as an opener and averaging 55.52 with 19 centuries while doing so. What more do you want?
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Hopefully not than Engineer?? Lindsay was a solid keep but Engineer wasn't much worse in quality than Kirmani. He truly is forgotten nowadays
Thala_0710
International Captain
I rate both Engineer and Lindsay highly though... I'd take Engineer over Kirmani and Saha as a wkb
Coronis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Like I said that was him dropping back when the specialised opener (Lawry) came into the team McDonald was already the established opener.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Not even a question for me tbh. Same level as keeper and significantly better batsman despite averages. Has the added advantage of opening. Could use that given there are better MOBs than OPs on the table.
Thala_0710
International Captain
I'd say slightly below as a keeper... But yeah overall clearly better
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
I mean yeah, but there were a few series in which Engineer's keeping was the decisive factor. England 1970 particularly comes to mind.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Cook sucks
OverratedSanity
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Sehwag>Gooch~Cook imo.
sayon basak
International Coach
Why?
OverratedSanity
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Gooch's away record was so ****ing dreadful. I get he did some amazing things vs Wi but come on. An away average of 36 doesn't lie. Didn't average 40+ away anywhere except India and WI. And his overall record benefits by him playing the majority (63%) of his games at home, unlike other openers we're discussing. He'd probably average sub 40 if he actually toured more.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
his stance put too much pressure and weight on his front foot, made his footwork stiff and unnatural and a bit delayed, his trigger movement was also delayed and rendered him a bit daft when it came to getting on top of quality pace and bounce, I don't think he'd average more than 40 in Gooch's era. It's not even an era thing, his technique is just not suited for any pace dominant condition, he won't average 40 playing for 2017-2022 England either.
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Johan
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He has an Australia problem, not an away problem, I don't think he really missed any away Ashes except the 1986-87 runfest, he won't struggle much away outside of Australia. Also had a dominant series in South Africa against Van Der Bijl and Le Roux, not really condition dependent.