Aubrey Faulkner vs Shaun Pollock (Tests)

[Johan]

Bullets have a much more consistent speed than hand thrown projectiles. Both are effected by air resistance, but for example a bullet shot from a rifled barrel will have a stabilizing spin imported on it from the barrel. A hand delivered projectile is much more inconsistent in this way and could lose speed very quickly, depending on the type of delivery and angle.

Once again I'm not saying there is a huge magnitude of error, just that it's much less likely to be the exact speed out of the hand as the most modern speed guns.

Sure, but by the statement we have and so forth, I'm gonna trust the numbers until they can be reliably disproven.

 

[shortpitched713]

Sure, but by the statement we have and so forth, I'm gonna trust the numbers until they can be reliably disproven.

Yeah, I'll just say those early guys were slower, but I'm not trusting the old numbers at all.

 

[sayon basak]

I don't trust the new numbers either.

 

[Johan]

bowling speed is all made up most probably.

 

[sayon basak]

Speed guns are not real. Making a speed gun probably requires more resource to make than a Dyson sphere.

 

[shortpitched713]

Speed guns are not real. Making a speed gun probably requires more resource to make than a Dyson sphere.

That's what I told the local traffic court judge too, but unfortunately they still made me pay the fine.

 

[subshakerz]

In 1979, we had a competition between fast bowlers, and the "fast demon" aka Michael Holding who used to easily beat the great batters of the time, someone so fast he was considered the fastest of the Great Windies pacers and so forth... could barely bowl 141kmph, that's right, Peak Michael Holding was slower than 20-Year-Old Josh Hull. "Pace-like-fire" Dennis Lillee was actually bowling a similar speed to a 40+ James Anderson who used to hold back speed for control and movement, lol. Yet we compare the West Indies team of this time to modern sides, give it 10-20 years and they'd be getting slapped up by the Women sides.

Player	Mph	Kph
Jeff Thomson	91.86	147.9kph
Michael Holding	87.76	141.3kph
Imran Khan	139.7kph
Colin Croft	86.45	139.2kph
Andy Roberts	86.08	138.6kph
Dennis Lillee	84.72	136.4kph
Garth Le Roux	84.46	135.9kph
Wayne Daniel	82.91	133.5kph
Len Pascoe	81.73	131.6kph
Richard Hadlee	80.62	129.8kph
Mike Procter	79.87	128.6kph
Sarfraz Nawaz	75.63	121.7kph

[Just worth TD]86.77[/TD]

Just worth mentioning these deliveries were measured not exactly out of the hand like modern day but a bit further down, hence why they are slower than we expect.

 

[Johan]

Just worth mentioning these deliveries were measured not exactly out of the hand like modern day but a bit further down, hence why they are slower than we expect.

marginal gap at most, like a few milimeters from the centimeters at most, people before Shoaib and Lee just never hit 145 consistently.

 

[subshakerz]

marginal gap at most, like a few milimeters from the centimeters at most, people before Shoaib and Lee just never hit 145 consistently.

Even a small gap with wind resistance would decrease the speed a fair bit.

And why didn't Shoaib and Lee bowl 145 exactly?

 

[Mike5181]

If you put Ahktar, Lee, Tait, Bond in grainy footage from the 70s or 80s against batsmen with no helmets they would look ridiculously fast. Jeff Thompson is the only one that looks proper quick by today's standards. Most of the rest that were considered quick would be comparable to a Matt Henry or a Trent Boult a few years ago.

 

[Johan]

Even a small gap with wind resistance would decrease the speed a fair bit.

And why didn't Shoaib and Lee bowl 145 exactly?

It was a dry and hot day, probably not extremely windy, and I doubt the speed of modern balls is calculated before it leaves the fingertips too.

I said Shoaib and Lee did bowl 145 and so consistently, on the other hand, I don't think someone like Holding ever hit 145 for a single delivery let alone consistently.

 

[subshakerz]

It was a dry and hot day, probably not extremely windy.

You're not an expert. All we know is that it was early stage technology and didn't even measure at the same point. And apparently there were measurements in 1975 or 76 that showed Thommo much higher.

 

[Johan]

You're not an expert. All we know is that it was early stage technology and didn't even measure at the same point. And apparently there were measurements in 1975 or 76 that showed Thommo much higher.

An expert sports scientist from Australia did the test, respect his calculation for what he got for the speed of the ball when released. No evidence the 1975 and 1976 studies were even done considering there's no footage, Again, if you want to go this route then people like Holding and Marshall look like medium pacers akin to old Anderson to me, you should appreciate my generosity in me saying Holding had almost Chris Woakes level speed.

 

[subshakerz]

An expert sports scientist from Australia did the test, respect his calculation for what he got for the speed of the ball when released. No evidence the 1975 and 1976 studies were even done considering there's no footage, Again, if you want to go this route then people like Holding and Marshall look like medium pacers akin to old Anderson to me, you should appreciate my generosity in me saying Holding had almost Chris Woakes level speed.

I'm not disputing the calculation it's just the method is different from modern day in an obvious way to make the speed less. And the 1975 and 76 studies are still cited, you can't argue they never happened if they weren't recorded.

You are just beating to death this same silly argument.

 

[Johan]

I'm not disputing the calculation it's just the method is different from modern day in an obvious way to make the speed less. And the 1975 and 76 studies are still cited, you can't argue they never happened if they weren't recorded.

You are just beating to death this same silly argument.

marginally at most, I can see them being a percent or so quicker than where they were calculated but saying it being calculated a couple milimeters away from fingertips decreases speed massively is delusional. If the 1975 and 1976 studies happened, post the footage.

Except I've irrefutable evidence, lol, not my fault nobody saw a real fast bowler until Akhtar and Lee at the turn of the millenium.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Average bowling speeds were significantly lower pre 1980 for sure. (That’s why there were no helmets)

Even in the 80s and 90s they were clearly lower than today’s speeds (for most nations)

 

[Johan]

Average bowling speeds were significantly lower pre 1980 for sure. (That’s why there were no helmets)

Even in the 80s and 90s they were clearly lower than today’s speeds (for most nations)

There are 20 bowlers faster than Michael Holding in England in 2025

 

[subshakerz]

If the 1975 and 1976 studies happened, post the footage.

As per the cricketers themselves, it definitely did happen. And Thommo was recorded reportedly at 160 MPH.

 

[Johan]

As per the cricketers themselves, it definitely did happen. And Thommo was recorded reportedly at 160 MPH.

same energy as Frank Tyson 190kmph

 

[shortpitched713]

You are just beating to death this same silly argument.

Nah he's right. When it comes to speed:

Telemachus > Thompson

I will forever use this now to troll Aussies.