Pietersen or Flintoff to open? - Page 2

Tim · 10-10-2006, 03:11 PM

Yeah it's all very well to try this for the CT in India, but is it going to be any good for them in the West Indies? it's really only a short term option if you ask me. If it doesn't come off, they will have wasted at least 3 ODI's when a specialist opener could have been getting match time.

marc71178 · 10-10-2006, 04:49 PM

To be fair, the role being looked at is more likely the one Trescothick will be playing in the World Cup IMO.

Mister Wright · 10-10-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

To be fair, the role being looked at is more likely the one Trescothick will be playing in the World Cup IMO.

That's if his mind lets him play.

marc71178 · 10-10-2006, 04:57 PM

I actually think that this problem is only India-specific to be honest - I don't know what it came from, but it's the only time he's appeared to be weak mentally.

haroon510 · 11-10-2006, 12:37 AM

i think the opening pair of england is very good for now. but if they wana change it then they should send pietersen and Trescothick. they would be a good pair spacially in indian pitches.

Nishant · 11-10-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by haroon510

i think the opening pair of england is very good for now. but if they wana change it then they should send pietersen and Trescothick. they would be a good pair spacially in indian pitches.

i agree with you....they are a lethal pair; but on the other hand flintoff may not be too bad either. The main question is; who is more likely to exposed with the new ball. The palyer that can handle it best, should open in the champions trophy! Don't u agree?

Poker Boy · 12-10-2006, 06:21 AM

England played a warm-up game today and opened with Bell and Strauss - if that's any guide. Flintoff and KP were 3 and 4. I'd have Flintoff to open with Strauss, KP at 3 and Bell at 4 as an insurance policy against early wickets. Either Fletcher disagrees or he picked this order to try and fool us (Remember last year he had G Jones open in the 20-20 but when the ODIs started he went with Trescothick and Strauss)

Prince EWS · 12-10-2006, 10:37 PM

This is silly really. I'm sure Pietersen and Flintoff would make good OD openers in India, but you can't exactly clone them and still leave them in the middle order - and they'd be more valuable there.

Strauss and Bell should open the batting. Or rather, Cook should actually be in the squad... but thats another story!

tooextracool · 13-10-2006, 04:16 PM

I cant see the point of having KP opening the batting when he is clearly a middle order batsman and should be batting at 5. For mine, it should be:
Bell
Strauss
Flintoff
Collingwood
KP
Dalrymple
Yardy
Read

Once trescothick comes back id replace him for Collingwood, and have Bell move to 3 and Flintoff to 4.
I think Flintoff is clearly a much better player when he has his eye in than when he has to come in at 5 or 6 and score quickly so he should at least be batting ahead of Pietersen. As such i dont think hed be too bad at 3.

open365 · 14-10-2006, 12:04 PM

It's a tough one.

I think i'd probably open with Strauss and Bell so we can save KP and Fred till later on, Mainly so i don't get bored watching if We open with Fred and he gets out first ball, even if he gets out first ball at 5/6, at least i had the anticipation of watching him bat.

Tomm NCCC · 14-10-2006, 05:43 PM

Flintoff, or at least to come in at no.3, wouldnt want either opening

Perm · 14-10-2006, 06:35 PM

Strauss and Bell should definately open the batting, with Flintoff coming in at 3 and Pietersen and Collingwood at 4 and 5. That would be what I would do anyway. When Trescothick comes back he would open and Bell would drop down to three with everybody else dropping down one aswell.

Mister Wright · 15-10-2006, 04:28 AM

Bell opened. Out for 4. Flintoff at 3 out for a duck. Pietersen coming in during the 8th over currently 27*. Winning the battle IMO.

BoyBrumby · 15-10-2006, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Wright

Bell opened. Out for 4. Flintoff at 3 out for a duck. Pietersen coming in during the 8th over currently 27*. Winning the battle IMO.

Have you just seen the shot he played? Never an opener for me.

Mister Wright · 15-10-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Have you just seen the shot he played? Never an opener for me.

Nah not watching.

10-10-2006, 04:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
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Poker Boy State Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kilbirnie, Scotland Posts: 1,105	England played a warm-up game today and opened with Bell and Strauss - if that's any guide. Flintoff and KP were 3 and 4. I'd have Flintoff to open with Strauss, KP at 3 and Bell at 4 as an insurance policy against early wickets. Either Fletcher disagrees or he picked this order to try and fool us (Remember last year he had G Jones open in the 20-20 but when the ODIs started he went with Trescothick and Strauss) __________________ Ian Botham, Freddie Flintoff, Kevin Pietersen, Brian Laudrup, Gazza and Daniela Hantuchova....a fan of you all FOREVER!!! Can't wait to see Australia field a crap leg-spinner like Hollland or Hohns again..... Congratulations to Daniela Hantuchova on her 3rd career title.... Bob Woolmer 1948-2007..farewell to the best coach England never had... Arise Sir Beefy.... Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb...

12-10-2006, 10:37 PM	#23 (permalink)
Prince EWS Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New South Wales Posts: 37,733	This is silly really. I'm sure Pietersen and Flintoff would make good OD openers in India, but you can't exactly clone them and still leave them in the middle order - and they'd be more valuable there. Strauss and Bell should open the batting. Or rather, Cook should actually be in the squad... but thats another story! __________________ ~ Cribbage

13-10-2006, 04:16 PM	#24 (permalink)
tooextracool International Coach Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: not far away from you Posts: 14,304	I cant see the point of having KP opening the batting when he is clearly a middle order batsman and should be batting at 5. For mine, it should be: Bell Strauss Flintoff Collingwood KP Dalrymple Yardy Read Once trescothick comes back id replace him for Collingwood, and have Bell move to 3 and Flintoff to 4. I think Flintoff is clearly a much better player when he has his eye in than when he has to come in at 5 or 6 and score quickly so he should at least be batting ahead of Pietersen. As such i dont think hed be too bad at 3. __________________ Tendulkar = the most overated player EVER!! Beckham = the most overated footballer EVER!! Vassell = the biggest disgrace since rikki clarke!! Last edited by tooextracool; 13-10-2006 at 04:20 PM.

14-10-2006, 05:43 PM	#26 (permalink)
Tomm NCCC State Captain Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Papplewick, Nottingham Posts: 1,565	Flintoff, or at least to come in at no.3, wouldnt want either opening __________________ This Weeks Samit Patel Fact - Has been mentioned in 32 of my posts The Rifles - Whats your verdict? www.myspace.com/therifles Winner of Cricket Webs Shane Warne Award - 4-11th Feb RIP Mr Woolmer, We are all poorer for your loss.

10-10-2006, 03:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	Yeah it's all very well to try this for the CT in India, but is it going to be any good for them in the West Indies? it's really only a short term option if you ask me. If it doesn't come off, they will have wasted at least 3 ODI's when a specialist opener could have been getting match time.

10-10-2006, 04:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	I actually think that this problem is only India-specific to be honest - I don't know what it came from, but it's the only time he's appeared to be weak mentally.

11-10-2006, 12:37 AM	#20 (permalink)
haroon510 State Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: california united states Posts: 1,627	i think the opening pair of england is very good for now. but if they wana change it then they should send pietersen and Trescothick. they would be a good pair spacially in indian pitches.

14-10-2006, 12:04 PM	#25 (permalink)
open365 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: liverpool Posts: 4,066	It's a tough one. I think i'd probably open with Strauss and Bell so we can save KP and Fred till later on, Mainly so i don't get bored watching if We open with Fred and he gets out first ball, even if he gets out first ball at 5/6, at least i had the anticipation of watching him bat.

15-10-2006, 04:28 AM	#28 (permalink)
Mister Wright Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 24,238	Bell opened. Out for 4. Flintoff at 3 out for a duck. Pietersen coming in during the 8th over currently 27*. Winning the battle IMO.

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