George Headley vs Ricky Ponting

[DrWolverine]

Test cricket

Inspired by Zaheer vs Ponting in one day cricket

 

[ma1978]

Ponting only because we have way more data points. Headley is an inner circle all time great though.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Headley is better and it isn't all that competitive, Ponting much more akin to a Weekes than to a Headley.

 

[ankitj]

Curious why Headley is rated so highly. I know his stats but there is little between him and Graeme Pollock when it comes to raw stats but the latter is often rated much lower.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Curious why Headley is rated so highly. I know his stats but there is little between him and Graeme Pollock when it comes to raw stats but the latter is often rated much lower.

I don't think Pollock is rated much lower, he is rated a little bit lower I feel though. Like both made the B team in my World XI Series (Ponting made C).

 

[ankitj]

Jarrod Kimber has Headley #18 and Pollock #35.

 

[sayon basak]

Jarrod Kimber has Headley #18 and Pollock #35.

That guy also has Chanderpaul over Steve Waugh iirc.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Jarrod Kimber has Headley #18 and Pollock #35.

He also has Grace at #16. Which is not as much bad as it is purely confusing.

Re Headley and Pollock, Pollock had good and decent batsmen around him. Barlow, Lindsay, Goddard, Irvine, later ofc Barry. Headley did the biggest carry job in the history of the game. That WI side had so so **** batting except him. He was called Atlas for a reason.

 

[Coronis]

He also has Grace at #16. Which is not as much bad as it is purely confusing.

Re Headley and Pollock, Pollock had good and decent batsmen around him. Barlow, Lindsay, Goddard, Irvine, later ofc Barry. Headley did the biggest carry job in the history of the game. That WI side had so so **** batting except him. He was called Atlas for a reason.

Shouldn’t be rated based on what your teammates did. Should be rated based on what you did.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Shouldn’t be rated based on what your teammates did. Should be rated based on what you did.

I fear it's highly erroneous to think your performance isn't highly influenced by your team mates.

 

[Coronis]

I fear it's highly erroneous to think your performance isn't highly influenced by your team mates.

What I’m specifically saying is, I don’t give Hadlee some sort of weak team bonus over say McGrath and Marshall because he played in a weak team. Same as Headley and Pollock.

 

[capt_Luffy]

What I’m specifically saying is, I don’t give Hadlee some sort of weak team bonus over say McGrath and Marshall because he played in a weak team. Same as Headley and Pollock.

I get your point, but I give them as I think they inherently had a harder job.

 

[Al Salvador]

Headley and I don't think it's close

 

[kyear2]

I have both in the same tier, but Atlas just ahead of Punter.

 

[ma1978]

Headley and I don't think it's close

you don’t think period

of course it’s close with the guy who scored 13,000 runs over 50 wplaying 170 tests

ghe only great batsman who is not close to Ponting is Bradman

this poll result is ridiculous

 

[ma1978]

I can see why someone would put Headley over Ponting but the idea that it’s obvious is ludicrous

 

[ma1978]

Headley is better and it isn't all that competitive, Ponting much more akin to a Weekes than to a Headley.

lol.

 

[capt_Luffy]

you don’t think period

of course it’s close with the guy who scored 13,000 runs over 50 wplaying 170 tests

ghe only great batsman who is not close to Ponting is Bradman

this poll result is ridiculous

You think Headley and Chanderpaul/Jayawardene is close??

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's clearly true, Both were the alphas of wonderful batting units, had some flat pitches at home where they were uber dominant and had mixed results overseas. Ponting is more accomplished against pace while Weekes against spin. Ponting is ahead because Weekes often had health issues. Headley is clearly better than both and he is also extremely close to being a top ten Batsman ever.

 

[ma1978]

It's clearly true, Both were the alphas of wonderful batting units, had some flat pitches at home where they were uber dominant and had mixed results overseas. Ponting is more accomplished against pace while Weekes against spin. Ponting is ahead because Weekes often had health issues. Headley is clearly better than both and he is also extremely close to being a top ten Batsman ever.

I appreciate your commitment to cricket history etc but this is just misguided.

Ponting was the most dominant bat in world cricket for a lot longer than Headley was a top three bat

at no stage were Chanderpaul or Jayawardene or Weekes considered the best bat in the world. Ponting was for 7-8 years