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Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman, vs Hayden, Ponting, Mark Waugh and Steve Waugh

Better quartet

  • Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman

    Votes: 20 76.9%

  • Hayden, Ponting, Mark Waugh and Steve Waugh

    Votes: 6 23.1%
  • Total voters
    26
subshakerz

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Thala_0710 said:
We have stats available only from 2002 onwards but there's about a 10 point difference in their avg vs spin, which further increases to about 30 in Asia (a 17 point gap even excluding India)
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Ok. I'm not saying Ponting was particularly good but I didn't rate Dravid against spin that much either. He seemed to be fine scorings tons against the medium level Kaneria types.
 
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subshakerz said:
You don't recall Murali and Saqlain giving him genuine problems? I do.
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He played Murali more than well enough imo. Had issues with Mendis . His 75 in the 4th innings of Kandy test in the 01 tour was incredible, totally neutralized Murali to pull off a big chase. Warne gave him trouble early in his career but he had iconic innings vs him too. And against most others spinners he was dominant. Played Swann masterfully in 2011.

Ponting had some serious technical issues vs spin imo, always looked like a bat pad candidate no matter which spinner was bowling.
 
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OverratedSanity said:
He played Murali more than well enough imo. Had issues with Mendis . His 75 in the 4th innings of Kandy test in the 01 tour was incredible, totally neutralized Murali to pull off a big chase.
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I think his fastest test hundred and perhaps his most fluent innings in test cricket was when he smashed a 65 SR 150 odd against Sri Lanka with peak Murali, no?
 
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OverratedSanity said:
He played Murali more than well enough imo. Had issues with Mendis . His 75 in the 4th innings of Kandy test in the 01 tour was incredible, totally neutralized Murali to pull off a big chase. Warne gave him trouble early in his career but he had iconic innings vs him too. And against most others spinners he was dominant. Played Swann masterfully in 2011.

Ponting had some serious technical issues vs spin imo, always looked like a bat pad candidate no matter which spinner was bowling.
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I agree Ponting was always uncertain with bat pad. Lunged too frequently.

Dravid to me had trouble picking spinners from the hand.
 
Coronis

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subshakerz said:
I'm not saying Ponting was good but I never rated Dravid that high versus spin. Though I will admit part of that is seeing him play at the same time with elite players of spin.
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Even if you don’t think he was that good, he was clearly better than Ponting.
 
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subshakerz said:
I'm not saying Ponting was good but I never rated Dravid that high versus spin. Though I will admit part of that is seeing him play at the same time with elite players of spin.
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Dravid averaged like 70+ vs spin in the limited sample size there is available on. Are you sure you actually watched games, or is there some processing error with your eyes?
 
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Re Laxman and Junior, Idk if they are a tier apart, but I do have like 30 batsmen between them and think that's substantial enough, as well that I really won't take Junior ahead in almost any situation. Laxman has a much longer career, averages 5 runs higher as is, 9 without opening. Coupled with his iconic and back to the wall innings and record to Aus, I think the era advantage and slight of batting position can be dealt with.
 
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capt_Luffy said:
Re Laxman and Junior, Idk if they are a tier apart, but I do have like 30 batsmen between them and think that's substantial enough, as well that I really won't take Junior ahead in almost any situation. Laxman has a much longer career, averages 5 runs higher as is, 9 without opening. Coupled with his iconic and back to the wall innings and record to Aus, I think the era advantage and slight of batting position can be dealt with.
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Laxman played way down the order and in the batting friendly era. That's a big cushion to account for their difference.
 
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OverratedSanity said:
Laxman also played 62 innings either as opener or at no.3, Waugh had only 2 innings. The batting position thing cancels out entirely.
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Dude thats only 62 out of 225 innings and he averages sub 40 as no.3 or opener.

Mark Waugh played 170/209 innings at no.4.

Laxman he clearly benefitted at 5/6. This is the exact same argument used to argue Waugh should be rated less since he couldn't cut it up the order.
 
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