The Heaviest Ball bowlers of all time

[kevinw]

Liam Plunkett

 

[reyrey]

That's a heavy ball.

I'm gonna have to assume English is your second language and bid you a good goodnight.

 

[andruid]

hard to go past rahkeem cornwall

Dwayne Leverock has a bigger case.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm gonna have to assume English is your second language and bid you a good goodnight.

It is. A heavy ball isn't really a real thing. It's a subjective effect.

 

[duckettstars123]

It is. A heavy ball isn't really a real thing. It's a subjective effect.

Forget real and subjectiveness, the point made is that Glenn McGrath bowled with kick, extra bounce, zip, nip and the heavy ball. The deliveries of Glenn McGrath appeared to gain speed/nip/zip/bounce/kick after bouncing off the pitch, which is very rare, and conveys that McGrath bowled the Heavy Ball.

 

[subshakerz]

Forget real and subjectiveness, the point made is that Glenn McGrath bowled with kick, extra bounce, zip, nip and the heavy ball. The deliveries of Glenn McGrath appeared to gain speed/nip/zip/bounce/kick after bouncing off the pitch, which is very rare, and conveys that McGrath bowled the Heavy Ball.

No it's the opposite. McGrath had an effortless action but always looked like a medium pacers. So if it reared up or was faster it was a surprise for bats precisely because it didn't seem like a heavy ball.

A heavy ball looks like an effort ball that has speed and bounce even if it similar to a normal delivery in effect.

The bowlers who bowl the heavy ball like Kallis, Flintoff and Shoaib all seem to be exerting more effort in their actions.

 

[the big bambino]

A heavy ball is about the batsman's perception. That the delivery hits the bat harder then expected. It usually arises from the perception the bowler isn't as fast as anticipated based on the batsmen's sub conscious assessment of pace based on action.

 

[Burgey]

A heavy ball is about the batsman's perception. That the delivery hits the bat harder then expected. It usually arises from the perception the bowler isn't as fast as anticipated based on the batsmen's sub conscious assessment of pace based on action.

This is 100% correct, and it usually correlates with blokes getting spliced, which makes you feel even less comfortable facing someone

 

[duckettstars123]

No it's the opposite. McGrath had an effortless action but always looked like a medium pacers. So if it reared up or was faster it was a surprise for bats precisely because it didn't seem like a heavy ball.

A heavy ball looks like an effort ball that has speed and bounce even if it similar to a normal delivery in effect.

The bowlers who bowl the heavy ball like Kallis, Flintoff and Shoaib all seem to be exerting more effort in their actions.

Your assessment of the Heavy Ball is incorrect.

The Heavy Ball is not about the action or effort. It is about a delivery that rears menacingly from the fuller side of a good length, with unexpected extra bounce and rushes the batsman. It is similar to hitting the deck hard, which McGrath did more than perhaps any pace bowler in history.

The Heavy Ball has no relevance to effort or lack thereof. It is all about the extra bounce, kick, zip, nip and bite from that good length area. Glenn McGrath and Curtley Ambrose were NASTY bowlers due to the Heavy Ball.

 

[subshakerz]

Your assessment of the Heavy Ball is incorrect.

The Heavy Ball is not about the action or effort. It is about a delivery that rears menacingly from the fuller side of a good length, with unexpected extra bounce and rushes the batsman. It is similar to hitting the deck hard, which McGrath did more than perhaps any pace bowler in history.

The Heavy Ball has no relevance to effort or lack thereof. It is all about the extra bounce, kick, zip, nip and bite from that good length area. Glenn McGrath and Curtley Ambrose were NASTY bowlers due to the Heavy Ball.

McGrath by that standard didn't bowl a heavy ball. He wasn't rearing it menacingly even when he did generate bounce.

I think awkward bounce and rushed speed are the ingredients.

 

[duckettstars123]

McGrath by that standard didn't bowl a heavy ball. He wasn't rearing it menacingly even when he did generate bounce.

I think awkward bounce and rushed speed are the ingredients.

That's idiotic. How on earth do you think he didn't rear it menacingly?

Don't worry, all Indian bowlers are swing bowlers. There has never been an Indian bowler who rears it menacingly and there NEVER WILL BE.

How dare you think McGrath didn't rear the ball menacingly?

 

[ataraxia]

That's idiotic. How on earth do you think he didn't rear it menacingly?

Don't worry, all Indian bowlers are swing bowlers. There has never been an Indian bowler who rears it menacingly and there NEVER WILL BE.

How dare you think McGrath didn't rear the ball menacingly?

"Calling subshakerz Indian" is an ATG genre of CW posts.

 

[subshakerz]

That's idiotic. How on earth do you think he didn't rear it menacingly?

Don't worry, all Indian bowlers are swing bowlers. There has never been an Indian bowler who rears it menacingly and there NEVER WILL BE.

How dare you think McGrath didn't rear the ball menacingly?

I'm not Indian bro.

If you think Ambrose and McGrath were comparable in rearing it from a length, then I disagree.

 

[subshakerz]

"Calling subshakerz Indian" is an ATG genre of CW posts.

And HB will still call be anti Indian.

 

[Thala_0710]

"Calling subshakerz Indian" is an ATG genre of CW posts.

I've heard it all

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Patrick Patterson,

It is the stock question for international batsmen. Who is the quickest and nastiest? Graham Gooch did not mind the pace, but he says the only time he has been in fear of his wellbeing was at Sabina Park in February 1986 when, on a grassy pitch, Test debutant Patrick "Patto" Patterson hurtled his inelegant bow-legged way up the hill, thrust his leading leg high, studs at the batsman, stamped down hard enough to measure on the Richter Scale, and, bowling like the devil in front of his home crowd, put the wind up England's finest.

Patrick Patterson Profile - Cricket Player West Indies | Stats, Records, Video

 

[Blenkinsop]

But I don't think Patrick Patterson or Shoaib Aktar bowled a heavy ball. They were just really really fast. Your quintessential 'heavy ball' bowler is someone like Ryan Harris who gives every impression of being a fast-medium trundler but actually generates more pace and bounce than expected.

 

[kevinw]

Chris Tremlett? Sometimes he only bowled 80mph but looked frightening.

 

[reyrey]

Chris Tremlett? Sometimes he only bowled 80mph but looked frightening.

Yeah. When he was at his best he was even getting Curtly Ambrose comparisons.

 

[Coronis]

McGrath by that standard didn't bowl a heavy ball. He wasn't rearing it menacingly even when he did generate bounce.

I think awkward bounce and rushed speed are the ingredients.

Yeah nah you’re wrong here mate. The only quality of a “heavy ball” (which is a completely subjective term for each individual batsman… so I don’t actually know why you’re trying to quantify it at all?) is that the ball comes on to the bat faster than the batsman expects. Which as was already stated in this thread, clearly happened with McGrath.