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All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

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Thala_0710 said:
He did though. He didn't know what would be the consequences of his actions when he was performing them. He could have been banned for longer too. And could have taken Warner and Bancroft along with him
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I think it would much worse of he did that so SA could win. That's a real betrayal, might even call it treason. What he did was wrong and cheating and he faced consequences and his country suffered, but it wasn't to gain a bag and for Aussies to lose.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
capt_Luffy said:
I think it would much worse of he did that so SA could win. That's a real betrayal, might even call it treason. What he did was wrong and cheating and he faced consequences and his country suffered, but it wasn't to gain a bag and for Aussies to lose.
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Yeah but it taints your country's reputation etc either way. For any team that I've ever been part of it any level, the first thing you're told is to play hard but play fair. Selling your country out is horrible. Ofc it is. Trying to cheat your way to win is just as horrible to the sport for me.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Anyways, if you guys really want to vote for someone who's career was cut short (tragically this instance), vote Bob Appleyard. Better bowler anyways, objectively
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He averaged 16 against great batters in FC. Seriously, he could be better. Bowes rated him along with Barnes and O'Reilly, Illingworth rated him ahead of Laker.
 
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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

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Thala_0710 said:
Yeah but it taints your country's reputation etc either way. For any team that I've ever been part of it any level, the first thing you're told is to play hard but play fair. Selling your country out is horrible. Ofc it is. Trying to cheat your way to win is just as horrible to the sport for me.
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Playing fair is important and tarnishing your country is scum move. Not nearly as much as selling them for a bag for me
 
kyear2

kyear2

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capt_Luffy said:
I actually think Taylor was a better batsman than Cook and Lawry, but as an Opener seems fair. Btw, feel Barlow should make this team
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Yeah, I will be voting for Taylor and Barlow for this team.

Actually will switch my initial vote to Taylor, Barlow I'd needs be can switch to the middle order.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Prince EWS said:
On Procter, I understand people rating his bowling highly even though I wouldn't in these exercises, and if anything maybe he should have been picked as a bowler earlier based on when Barry Richards went.

But unlike his bowling and Barry's batting, we don't really have any evidence in Tests, WSC or unofficial Tests that his batting was going to translate. It's not just a small sample size, there's just no evidence he was a middle order batsman at all above domestic cricket. He was obviously a serious bowler but his batting could definitely have ended up in the Davidson category a level up - we have no evidence otherwise.
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He had some useful innings in the ROW series in '70, but you're mostly correct with regards to his batting.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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kyear2 said:
He had some useful innings in the ROW series in '70, but you're mostly correct with regards to his batting.
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Yeah but those don't really elevate him above being a number 8.

In the small sample size we have of his bowling in Tests (and unofficial Tests), he was awesome. I don't like to work on such small samples but I see the argument.

But in the small sample size we have of his batting at that level, he was much worse than Vernon Philander. He was obviously a pretty serious lower middle order batsman in domestic cricket, but so was Richard Hadlee and err, Ronnie Irani.

It's just such an unproven skill. You can't be batting him above eight in a team like this IMO.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Prince EWS said:
Yeah but those don't really elevate him above being a number 8.

In the small sample size we have of his bowling in Tests (and unofficial Tests), he was awesome. I don't like to work on such small samples but I see the argument.

But in the small sample size we have of his batting at that level, he was much worse than Vernon Philander. He was obviously a pretty serious lower middle order batsman in domestic cricket, but so was Richard Hadlee and err, Ronnie Irani.

It's just such an unproven skill. You can't be batting him above eight in a team like this IMO.
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Yes, I wasn't disagreeing.

But I think the team is a batsman short regardless.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
Yeah, I will be voting for Taylor and Barlow for this team.

Actually will switch my initial vote to Taylor, Barlow I'd needs be can switch to the middle order.
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Herbie Taylor, not Mark. I have:

Morris
Ponsford
Lawry
Barnes
Langer
Khawaja
Hanif
Anwar
Cook
Shrewsbury
Edrich
Amiss
Hayward
Maclaren
Kirsten
Goddard
Barlow
Turner
Hunte
Fredericks


Staunchly ahead of Mark
 
trundler

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Hanif averages more than Simpson and Lawry over an equivalent career length. His stats suffer from debuting really young and playing in the rough 50s, but he makes the team of the 50s anyway as Hutton was the only better opener around during that period.
 
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