Better All Rounder Pair

[capt_Luffy]

Give me a top six bat you would pick with five tons in 80 odd tests.

Give me a top 6 bat you will pick with 33 odd average

 

[capt_Luffy]

So you want to ignore Botham has a better RPI, batted higher more consistently, has way more tons and knocks of substance and just declare Jadeja better because he has neater averages around the globe, despite several of those being a handful of tests. Blind average reading again.

You want to gaslight us into thinking that Jadeja was a top six quality bat the past decade despite only ever playing in the top six away this last year. Hmm I wonder why they didn't regularly promote him above away before that despite their middle order often struggling overseas?

God you are pathetic. You are one suggesting RPI is everything while Jadeja's barely less than Botham's, and much more so than average. Tons and knocks of substance is a fair argument, but the way you lot are treating consistency across conditions and teams is pathetic. Jadeja has been consistently top tier quality for the last 7 years. He had bad initial years, Botham has those in end. I still rate Beefy slightly ahead, but it's arguable either way and pretending it isn't is toxic nostalgia.

 

[honestbharani]

God you are pathetic.

Funny how it happens every time India has a good result in cricket.

 

[subshakerz]

Give me a top 6 bat you will pick with 33 odd average

Several in the 80s era around there.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Give me a top six bat you would pick with five tons in 80 odd tests.

Btw the correct answer here is Arjuna Ranatunga (5 in 93).

 

[subshakerz]

God you are pathetic. You are one suggesting RPI is everything while Jadeja's barely less than Botham's, and much more so than average. Tons and knocks of substance is a fair argument, but the way you lot are treating consistency across conditions and teams is pathetic. Jadeja has been consistently top tier quality for the last 7 years. He had bad initial years, Botham has those in end. I still rate Beefy slightly ahead, but it's arguable either way and pretending it isn't is toxic nostalgia.

You didnt really address my points.

Again, because you seem to have difficult understanding, Botham is better not just because of RPI, but batting higher more consistently and tons. All measures we would use with a regular specialist bat. The whole reason if bringing in RPI is because Jadeja has an average bounce due to higher NOs.

Consistency across conditions is fine but not if you are basing it off of 2 or 3 test samples in SL or NZ. Its essentially Aus and Eng for Jadeja.

And no, Jadeja hasnt been that quality for seven years. More like four years when he started scoring tons with consistency.

 

[subshakerz]

Funny how it happens every time India has a good result in cricket.

As usual, nothing of substance.

 

[capt_Luffy]

You didnt really address my points.

Again, because you seem to have difficult understanding, Botham is better not just because of RPI, but batting higher more consistently and tons. All measures we would use with a regular specialist bat. The whole reason if bringing in RPI is because Jadeja has an average bounce due to higher NOs.

Consistency across conditions is fine but not if you are basing it off of 2 or 3 test samples in SL or NZ. Its essentially Aus and Eng for Jadeja.

And no, Jadeja has been that quality for seven years. More like four years when he started scoring tons with consistency.

You also don't seem to understand my point.

Again, Jadeja doesn't just have a higher average but also a much healthier spread of runs and significantly better performance than Botham to and in WI, which is disgraceful. Again, all things we use regularly. Accounting for more not outs is good, but going by purely RPI, when those not outs those indeed often comes in situations where the batsman could have added decently more runs (eg, all 4 games in England 4th innings) in dumb as well.

Aus and Eng mostly yes. Those are ones that really counts. And he performed there unlike Botham in WI. Something we definitely account for.

And no, measuring by tons is silly metric. Fleming has 9 in 111 games for instance. Jadeja also has 5 more 50s. Last 7 years he averages 44.

 

[Johan]

Again, Jadeja doesn't just have a higher average but also a much healthier spread of runs and significantly better performance than Botham to and in WI, which is disgraceful. Again, all things we use regularly. Accounting for more not outs is good, but going by purely RPI, when those not outs those indeed often comes in situations where the batsman could have added decently more runs (eg, all 4 games in England 4th innings) in dumb as well..

How is that transferable? WI of Botham's time is well beyond any attack Jadeja has faced unless I'm missing something.

 

[capt_Luffy]

How is that transferable? WI of Botham's time is well beyond any attack Jadeja has faced unless I'm missing something.

It's significantly better yes, but you can't really say Botham was a top order level batsman significantly better than Jadeja and hand wave that he averages 21 against and 14 in WI over 20 and 9 games. It's just poor by all standards.

 

[Al Salvador]

It's significantly better yes, but you can't really say Botham was a top order level batsman significantly better than Jadeja and hand wave that he averages 21 against and 14 in WI over 20 and 9 games. It's just poor by all standards.

I don't think jadeja will do any better against them if he faced them outside Asia tbh. He's horrible against high bounce bowling.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't think jadeja will do any better against them if he faced them outside Asia tbh. He's horrible against high bounce bowling.

That's kinda a prediction not indicated much by anything. Jadeja did pretty great to the Aussie pacers in Australia. And Botham wasn't good even at home. Overall, it's a hyperbole how he will perform, but Botham's performance being way below par is factual.

 

[Johan]

That's kinda a prediction not indicated much by anything. Jadeja did pretty great to the Aussie pacers in Australia. And Botham wasn't good even at home. Overall, it's a hyperbole how he will perform, but Botham's performance being way below par is factual.

Botham was fine agsinst them at home but I don't think Australia proves much, their pace attack doesn't even begin to approach the West Indies juggernaut, especially in away conditions.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Botham was fine agsinst them at home but I don't think Australia proves much, their pace attack doesn't even begin to approach the West Indies juggernaut, especially in away conditions.

At Home conditions they are pretty Great bowlers I reckon. Not on the same tier but at the very next. It's true Jadeja never faced anything as good as WI pace battery, but Botham's away record especially and even overall, is just too poor by any standards. That should be accounted for imo.

 

[Johan]

At Home conditions they are pretty Great bowlers I reckon. Not on the same tier but at the very next. It's true Jadeja never faced anything as good as WI pace battery, but Botham's away record especially and even overall, is just too poor by any standards. That should be accounted for imo.

Botham's away record is poor in the West Indies but nowhere else and I don't think his West Indies record really matters when being compared to someone not from his era, there are very few teams in history of this sport who match that team and it's not a big point for you against Botham unless you've performed against that side specifically, invincibles, mighty Australians or maybe early 2010s South Africa.

 

[Al Salvador]

Botham's away record is poor in the West Indies but nowhere else and I don't think his West Indies record really matters when being compared to someone not from his era, there are very few teams in history of this sport who match that team and it's not a big point for you against Botham unless you've performed against that side specifically, invincibles, mighty Australians or maybe early 2010s South Africa.

No team in history comes close to wi attack

 

[capt_Luffy]

Botham's away record is poor in the West Indies but nowhere else and I don't think his West Indies record really matters when being compared to someone not from his era, there are very few teams in history of this sport who match that team and it's not a big point for you against Botham unless you've performed against that side specifically, invincibles, mighty Australians or maybe early 2010s South Africa.

Don't agree. Agree Botham's overall Away record isn't necessarily an issue. But comeon now, 21 in 20 games should be held against someone. You can't always do a 1-0-1 in every condition.

 

[Johan]

Don't agree. Agree Botham's overall Away record isn't necessarily an issue. But comeon now, 21 in 20 games should be held against someone. You can't always do a 1-0-1 in every condition.

If WI was a normal team I don't think he'd have those stats.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If WI was a normal team I don't think he'd have those stats.

Definitely won't. Doesn't justify them totally though.

 

[ankitj]

Give me a top six bat you would pick with five tons in 80 odd tests.

Like always, the answer is Jadeja