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Ricky Ponting vs Kumar Sangakkara

Better Cricketer


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shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
Sanga dropping the gloves in Tests had nothing to do with ability, and everything to do with longevity and role for an all-formats player.

He didn't drop the gloves in ODI. And Murali said he was the best keeper to him. So yeah, it's a pretty open and shut case that he has very good specialist level glove skills. Just wasn't really used in Tests that way, outside of his early career.
 

Migara

International Coach
Nah. Gilchrist is definitely 2 or more tier ahead. He proved against all sort of bowling. big turn, express pace and swing.
Batting is actually his secondary discipline.
Nah, Sanga kept to better spinners and more wayward fast bowlers, on pitches with unpredictable bounce. Reconsidering he is two or more tiers above Gilchrist.
 

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man
Nah, Sanga kept to better spinners and more wayward fast bowlers, on pitches with unpredictable bounce. Reconsidering he is two or more tiers above Gilchrist.
More Wayward fast bowlers! Gosh which universe this is!
you could argue for Muralitharan as a better spinner maybe, but he wasn’t that much a big turner like Warne or McGill… for wicket keepers keeping to more turn is difficult than anything in spin, and Warne had all the variations with bounce speed and turn.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
More Wayward fast bowlers! Gosh which universe this is!
you could argue for Muralitharan as a better spinner maybe, but he wasn’t that much a big turner like Warne or McGill… for wicket keepers keeping to more turn is difficult than anything in spin, and Warne had all the variations with bounce speed and turn.
I think Murali turned the ball comparably to Warne.
 

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man
Lol, did you watch him? He was as huge a turner as any leg spin bowler due to his uniquely flexible wrist and shoulder. Could use the rough like a legspinner too, depending on the batsman he was facing.
Yes, I have watched him.
He is a big turner, could do both leg break and off break. Successful accross conditions.
What I was referring to was he didn’t consistently turn to the degree like Warne McGill did, and McGill could even be inaccurate many times unlike Warne or Muralitharan, which further costs the Wicket Keeper.
 

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man

McGill winning here.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member

McGill winning here.
Murali beating Warne though
 

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
More Wayward fast bowlers! Gosh which universe this is!
you could argue for Muralitharan as a better spinner maybe, but he wasn’t that much a big turner like Warne or McGill… for wicket keepers keeping to more turn is difficult than anything in spin, and Warne had all the variations with bounce speed and turn.
Have you ever watched cricket?
 

Migara

International Coach
More Wayward fast bowlers! Gosh which universe this is!
you could argue for Muralitharan as a better spinner maybe, but he wasn’t that much a big turner like Warne or McGill… for wicket keepers keeping to more turn is difficult than anything in spin, and Warne had all the variations with bounce speed and turn.
Bowlers like Fernando were 90 miles merchants and sprayed it around. Malinga was accurate, but his deliveries produced unpredictable bounce even on best of surfaces. Gilchrist may have kept for Tait for same matches, but no where day and day out keeping to like fast and way ward Sri Lankan bowlers, or Malinga, who brought completely different way of bowling, or Vaas where any ball can vary from 110k to 130k with absolute no change of action, some times back to back multiple times. I'd say Sanga kept to a wider variety of pace bowlers too.
 

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man
Bowlers like Fernando were 90 miles merchants and sprayed it around. Malinga was accurate, but his deliveries produced unpredictable bounce even on best of surfaces. Gilchrist may have kept for Tait for same matches, but no where day and day out keeping to like fast and way ward Sri Lankan bowlers, or Malinga, who brought completely different way of bowling, or Vaas where any ball can vary from 110k to 130k with absolute no change of action, some times back to back multiple times. I'd say Sanga kept to a wider variety of pace bowlers too.
Assuming we are talking about Tests… No Tait clause comes in… also Malinga’s effectiveness is reduced…
Gilchrist kept against all sort of bowling and was successful against each…
Lee at peak was consistent 145+ and Gilchrist didn’t had trouble. He was a better reader of Warne than most batsmen.

Gilchrist knew where it would come.


at 2:10 straight one from Warne, not unsual still Gilchrist didn’t flinch his gloves from the pitch of the ball not even anticipating a minor turn
at 5:20 quick reflexes can be seen
at 5:56 pretty much hugh turn
at 8:15 again quick reflexes
at 12:10 pitches almost at full at a significant turn, Gilchrist didn’t even seem to struggle a bit, he was pretty much comfortable against all


Some good catches against Lee can also been during the same Ashes



Against the speed and bounce of Lee
 

Migara

International Coach
Assuming we are talking about Tests… No Tait clause comes in… also Malinga’s effectiveness is reduced…
Gilchrist kept against all sort of bowling and was successful against each…
Lee at peak was consistent 145+ and Gilchrist didn’t had trouble. He was a better reader of Warne than most batsmen.
Nah, we are including ODis also, since keeping is almost identical in both situations.

I am not sure what you ameant by Malinga's effectiveness. It doesn't matter Malinga or Fernando troubled batsmen. Malinga was tough to keep because of his release and variations. Fernando was tough because he sprayed it around. Brett Lee was fast but very accurate. For example, If you get Akthar and Sami, although Akthar is faster he is easier to keep because he is accurate

Simply your argument has no merit. Sanga kept for more varied attacks, on spinning pitches and pitches with variable bounce than Gilchrist. And he was bloody brilliant on them.
 

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