All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[capt_Luffy]

It's a joke.


either he should've kept that 65+ average in his early years or either he should've kept the gloves, he didn't do either, so No, I won't rate him higher than his average.

It doesn't makes much sense to neither rate him as 65 avg bat without gloves or acknowledge his increase in average is more due to coinciding peak rather than just keeping load while batting first down.

 

[sayon basak]

Changed to Miller. The team already has enough middle order batsmen. Although personally feel bad that Kallis may not make it in the 2nd XI, but that's what the 2nd team demands ig. If Imran made it in the 1st team, Kallis would have comfortably walked in the 2nd.

 

[Johan]

It doesn't makes much sense to neither rate him as 65 avg bat without gloves or acknowledge his increase in average is more due to coinciding peak rather than just keeping load while batting first down.

It's obviously the latter, I just don't care to rate him on his hypothetical average with the gloves had he kept them and batted six when he showed he couldn't handle the stress of batting peak and keeping.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's obviously the latter, I just don't care to rate him on his hypothetical average with the gloves had he kept them and batted six when he showed he couldn't handle the stress of batting peak and keeping.

Actually he was much against giving up the gloves. It certainly wasn't he was unwilling, but SL board preferred their no 3 best batsman to focus on batting because they had one of the finest modern day keepers who averaged as much as more than a fair few of their MO batsmen in the bench. Not mine, Sangakkara's own words.

 

[Johan]

Actually he was much against giving up the gloves. It certainly wasn't he was unwilling, but SL board preferred their no 3 best batsman to focus on batting because they had one of the finest modern day keepers who averaged as much as more than a fair few of their MO batsmen in the bench. Not mine, Sangakkara's own words.

That's the point, he focused on batting at #3, batting at #3 and keeping would be too much stress for one player to do it at peak, being the best batsman of the team, batting one down, keeping etc would be too much work for one man and who knows how long he will play? or for how long he'll keep his appetite to keep? you're welcome to assume he'd average 57 even if he had kept the gloves, but he didn't keep the gloves and when it comes to rating Sangakkara the fact is he kept exclusively pre prime and was entirely focused on batting after.

He kept for the first 35% of his career, and then moved entirely to batting, same as Walcott, had he kept the gloves he'd have been maybe the best WK bat ever, but he didn't and so he isn't, and that does not need his batting to be intrinsically effected by his keeping to be true.

 

[Bolo.]

Changed to Miller. The team already has enough middle order batsmen. Although personally feel bad that Kallis may not make it in the 2nd XI, but that's what the 2nd team demands ig. If Imran made it in the 1st team, Kallis would have comfortably walked in the 2nd.

Imran not making the 1st is the one thing potentially keeping Kallis out of the second. With Miller and Imran you can go in with 5 bowlers. The batting is too weak without him.

 

[capt_Luffy]

That's the point, he focused on batting at #3, batting at #3 and keeping would be too much stress for one player to do it at peak, being the best batsman of the team, batting one down, keeping etc would be too much work for one man and who knows how long he will play? or for how long he'll keep his appetite to keep? you're welcome to assume he'd average 57 even if he had kept the gloves, but he didn't keep the gloves and when it comes to rating Sangakkara the fact is he kept exclusively pre prime and was entirely focused on batting after.

He kept for the first 35% of his career, and then moved entirely to batting, same as Walcott, had he kept the gloves he'd have been maybe the best WK bat ever, but he didn't and so he isn't, and that does not need his batting to be intrinsically effected by his keeping to be true.

I mean, he isn't the best. But based on his Test record while keeping alone, I think he has a pretty solid case to be the 2nd or 3rd best, without factoring his non gloves era altogether.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran not making the 1st is the one thing potentially keeping Kallis out of the second. With Miller and Imran you can go in with 5 bowlers. The batting is too weak without him.

Not if you have Walcott or Sanga.

I think 5 bowlers would be great.

 

[Bolo.]

Not if you have Walcott or Sanga.

I think 5 bowlers would be great.

McGrath, Barnes, Murali, Ambrose as a tail, on top of playing Miller? That's AT trash tier.

 

[subshakerz]

McGrath, Barnes, Murali, Ambrose as a tail, on top of playing Miller? That's AT trash tier.

Where is McGrath?

It's Miller, Imran, Barnes, Ambrose, Murali.

 

[Bolo.]

Where is McGrath?

It's Miller, Imran, Barnes, Ambrose, Murali.

Check the posts again. You have misunderstood.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Where is McGrath?

It's Miller, Imran, Barnes, Ambrose, Murali.

He was saying if Imran made the XI over McGrath.

 

[subshakerz]

Check the posts again. You have misunderstood.

Ohh my mistake. I missed that.

Yeah if Imran made it over McGrath, McGrath would have taken Barnes or Ambrose's place and we would have had a good case for Wasim at 8.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ohh my mistake. I missed that.

Yeah if Imran made it over McGrath, McGrath would have taken Barnes or Ambrose's place and we would have had a good case for Wasim at 8.

Wasim still does btw, just ask Kyear. @kyear2 not the awakened Imran fan @kyear3

 

[Bolo.]

Ohh my mistake. I missed that.

Yeah if Imran made it over McGrath, McGrath would have taken Barnes or Ambrose's place and we would have had a good case for Wasim at 8.

Doesn't really matter who the number 8 is if it isn't Imran. I'd have to in without Miller.

Which team Imran is in has some odd knock on effects. Miller and Kallis can both end up anywhere from 1st to 3rd for me. Possibly even lower than 3rd. I haven't thought it through.

 

[subshakerz]

Wasim still does btw, just ask Kyear. @kyear2 not the awakened Imran fan @kyear3

Kyear went on a rant about how a better cricketer should always make an ATG XI and then voted that second for Wasim whom he rates less than Imran.

Who is this Kyear3 voter btw?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kyear went on a rant about how a better cricketer should always make an ATG XI and then voted that second for Wasim whom he rates less than Imran.

Who is this Kyear3 voter btw?

No idea honestly. The posting style looked similar to a certain someone, but they denied it and I definitely believe them.

 

[ataraxia]

At Barnes' pace would edges even carry to the slips or the keepers standing back? It's why I refused to pick him tbh. We don't know enough about his bowling for an ATG XI exercise. It's pie-in-the-sky stuff.

This is why we need Kallis' excellent slip-catching nous.

 

[kyear2]

At Barnes' pace would edges even carry to the slips or the keepers standing back? It's why I refused to pick him tbh. We don't know enough about his bowling for an ATG XI exercise. It's pie-in-the-sky stuff.

At Barnes' pace would edges even carry to the slips or the keepers standing back? It's why I refused to pick him tbh. We don't know enough about his bowling for an ATG XI exercise. It's pie-in-the-sky stuff.

Nothing about it, and what has been shown isn't in the least bit convincing. And his best performances were against what I can only deem to be minnows and it was in stark contrast to his performances vs Australia.

 

[kyear2]

That's Ponting no contest.

Ponting is by estimation the best, then Kallis, then Dravid.

Sanga comes at the back of the pack