All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[Johan]

Barnes, Ambrose and Imran is the omega variety trio imo.

 

[Thala_0710]

Barnes, Ambrose and Imran is the omega variety trio imo.

I wanted to go Steyn here instead of Ambrose, but Ambrose for his height and HTD variety is a very good choice too

 

[DrWolverine]

McGrath vs Hadlee in the XI is quite argued out by this stage....
Let's move on to Barnes vs Steyn vs Ambrose

Steyn
Ambrose
Barnes

 

[Johan]

Steyn
Ambrose
Barnes

Sydney Barnes or Ahsok Dinda?

 

[Johan]

I wanted to go Steyn here instead of Ambrose, but Ambrose for his height and HTD variety is a very good choice too

Imran vs Steyn is it for me, I just want Imran's batting, I also want him to captain

 

[CricAddict]

Don't really think can consider anyone but Don personally for Captain. One of the finest tactical brains, and too high on a pedestal to be bossed around. Has crazy results as captain especially post War, despite not getting along with a few players.

Tough to lose games when you are churning out hundreds and double hundreds for fun. But how did you know that Bradman was one of the finest tactical brains?

 

[Thala_0710]

Imran vs Steyn is it for me, I just want Imran's batting, I also want him to captain

Imran for the reverse, batting and captaincy. Hence overall I have him over Ambrose as well.
With the new ball it's between Steyn and Ambrose for me.

 

[CricAddict]

Not their job, and more importantly, is that the best bowling attack possible?

And again, Marshall and Warne were good enough to do it at 8 for the best two teams to have ever done it.

Should not be in there if it is not their job, especially since it is also a job. Imran can do both his main job as bowler and the side job as a support batsman for the main batsmen.

 

[CricAddict]

You're standing up with the illiterate Sachin cumdumpster aka @centurymaker, I have to assume you don't rate the first 75 years of Cricket either.

Probably you need to get yourself literate with the term illiterate.

 

[Johan]

Probably you need to get yourself literate with the term illiterate.

Nah, He's at fault for instigating, I said nothing wrong. I was happy having a good faith discussion but he decided to be insulting and couldn't take it when I returned it tenfolds.

 

[subshakerz]

Barnes, Ambrose and Imran is the omega variety trio imo.

I think they are a more rounded attack. The only thing missing would be an outswing expert which is why I would have prefer Lillee.

 

[Thala_0710]

I think they are a more rounded attack. The only thing missing would be an outswing expert which is why I would have prefer Lillee.

Steyn had a great outswinger

 

[subshakerz]

Steyn had a great outswinger

Yeah. He would be a good shout too.

 

[Johan]

I think they are a more rounded attack. The only thing missing would be an outswing expert which is why I would have prefer Lillee.

I mean...

I haven't seen a better outswinger than Dale Steyn

 

[subshakerz]

The second XI definitely have a pace advantage over the first.

 

[subshakerz]

I mean...

I haven't seen a better outswinger than Dale Steyn

Of course. I forgot about Steyn for a second when I posted.

Actually on second thought, Barnes, Steyn and Imran might be quite interesting because you have one outswing expert and one inswing expert, and one seam cutter genius.

 

[Johan]

maybe the first XI should've been

McGrath/Hadlee
Marshall
Imran
Warne
Sobers

 

[Thala_0710]

If Steyn misses out here, who accompanies him for the third attack? Does Bumrah get in?

 

[sayon basak]

Well that was an interesting last 8 pages to read

Never happened before in CW.

 

[kyear2]

This is your worst argument imo.

All time world teams don't matter in reality. They're two steps up from real cricket.

Ronnie Irani may have actually been the third best player in county cricket without deserving a spot in the England side at some periods. That's fine.

The thing we must always remember about these sides is that they aren't real and don't actually matter. If someone doesn't make one because or balance issues or what have you then it doesn't diminish how valuable they were in real games they played in.

Now I think Imran should be in the side anyway. But no, it's definitely possible to be the third best player at a lower level and not suit the balance of a combined side without making people have to rethink the former.

These imaginary time travel exercises are fun but if you actually think they should have a bearing on who was better in real life you need to touch grass.

Forget higher levels, McGrath to me is a better cricketer than Imran.

McGrath rose to the occasion and elevated his team to the best ever in the moments that mattered.

He was quite arguably the greatest new ball bowler ever and along with Marshall, IMO the greatest bowlers of all time, and for now for me, the only two in that debate.

That's touching the grass, what wins, not what looks better in a spreadsheet.

It's the part of the sport that impacts success and wins. And the lower order batting that is glorified here to amounts that's never been reflected in impact or results.

Back to your primary argument, regardless on how you try to couch the argument. If cannot make an all pro / all time / all NBA / all world team, you're not the slam dunk top 3 anything of all time. You think he's the 3rd best cricketer of all time and he makes yours, correct?

And shock, these teams are constructed based on impact from real games they played in. We just disagree on said impact.