All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[Johan]

You yourself said Lillee enjoyed targeting bats in a way Trueman didn't.

I myself said Lindwall did what Lillee did but was arguably even more just raw evil with it.

 

[DrWolverine]

You yourself said Lillee enjoyed targeting bats in a way Trueman didn't.

Color television helped.

It worked for all sports.

 

[Johan]

I myself said Lindwall did what Lillee did but was arguably even more just raw evil with it.

do you even know Lindwall or just being a donkey atp @centurymaker

 

[Prince EWS]

Pls vote for Barnes

Tag me in a few hours if it's close. I know we both definitely want Imran in the side lol so I trust you

 

[kyear2]

Imran definitely should have been. Grace will always divide people.

It's kinda crazy that CW considers Imran the 3rd best cricketer of all time yet can't vote him in an ATG XI.

I've make this observation and argument before. I don't see how you're the 3rd best player and either doesn't make the team or is the last one in along with Viv.

Imran being voted here the no. 3 player is very arguably more of a lack of consolidation of an alternative no. 3, than him clearly being actually the 3rd best player ever.

Outside of CW it's either one of Warne, Richards, Hobbs or Tendulkar.

But CW seems to have a odd affinity for bowling all rounders, as I can make just a strong an argument for Hammond and he's not in the discussion here.

 

[Coronis]

He wasn't being serious ffs, he couldn't leave out his mates. Thats an XI he has played with or against. Not his real all time XI

A nice excuse for poor judgement on someone’s picks. Did he say it was who he played with or against? Even if so, its not exactly stellar is it?

Hint – Football fans don't think someone from 70s or 80s are GOAT level either, but you worthless ****s do that with Cricket. Either The current top guys are the best Cricketers ever or you take all of history into account.

Fandoms of all sports froth over certain eras. e.g Bball in the 80’s/90’s is still idealised (less so in the very recent times, but still pretty pervasive). Usually when the sport started getting big on airtime. The chosen time for cricket is the 70’s. You can thank Kerry Packer.

 

[Johan]

1950s. 1960s. 1970s. Many legends are fondly remembered compared to the decades before.
Puskas. Pele. Cruyff. Beckenbauer. Di Stefano.

Zero

Clown to Clown conversation, amazing

 

[kyear2]

And Wasim would have got votes too. I think most here (including myself) wanted Marshall and McGrath as new ball bowlers and hence got stuck into voting McGrath over Imran.

Yes, and in a tight bote between Hadlee and Imran, I would have voted Imran.

 

[Johan]

Fandoms of all sports froth over certain eras. e.g Bball in the 80’s/90’s is still idealised (less so in the very recent times, but still pretty pervasive). Usually when the sport started getting big on airtime. The chosen time for cricket is the 70’s. You can thank Kerry Packer.

Yeah, mostly just selective and happens to be connected to either colour television or other nonsense unrelated to the sport.

 

[kyear2]

That works as well, but I'd prefer McGrath over Hadlee, especially when Imran is already batting at 8

Exactly.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran being voted here the no. 3 player is very arguably more of a lack of consolidation of an alternative no. 3, than him clearly being actually the 3rd best player ever.

Well if there is a lack of consolidation then Imran is seen with the best merits. Heck many here rate him higher than Sobers.

 

[centurymaker]

You yourself said Lillee enjoyed targeting bats in a way Trueman didn't.

He is a hypocrite.

Pre 1970s, it's only a select few players who really stand out. There were only 2-3 elite sides before, unlike 1970s onwards when you had at least 5-6 elite sides every decade.

 

[DrWolverine]

Fandoms of all sports froth over certain eras. e.g Bball in the 80’s/90’s is still idealised (less so in the very recent times, but still pretty pervasive). Usually when the sport started getting big on airtime. The chosen time for cricket is the 70’s. You can thank Kerry Packer.

True

 

[subshakerz]

Color television helped.

It worked for all sports.

I don't think cricket every had the gladiator stadium type of environment we saw in the mid 70s with crowds chanting kill kill and Thommo saying he likes blood on the pitch.

If folks can't recognize that as new and pretend there wasn't a Victorian influence before that, they are wrong.

 

[subshakerz]

Fandoms of all sports froth over certain eras. e.g Bball in the 80’s/90’s is still idealised (less so in the very recent times, but still pretty pervasive). Usually when the sport started getting big on airtime. The chosen time for cricket is the 70’s. You can thank Kerry Packer.

Commercialisation does change the nature of a sport though, level of competitiveness and professional standards.

 

[Johan]

He is a hypocrite..

and you're a ******** piece of garbage

 

[Johan]

Pre 1970s, it's only a select few players who really stand out. There were only 2-3 elite sides before, unlike 1970s onwards when you had at least 5-6 elite sides every decade.

4 sides in 50s and 60s, 5 in 70s, so much changed yeah.

just ridiculous.

 

[Johan]

I guess it's my fault for trying so hard to converse with illiterate dumb****s who just want Viv's **** up their ass and cannot accept Cricketers were great before him, my bad.

 

[centurymaker]

I don't think cricket every had the gladiator stadium type of environment we saw in the mid 70s with crowds chanting kill kill and Thommo saying he likes blood on the pitch.

If folks can't recognize that as new and pretend there wasn't a Victorian influence before that, they are wrong.

West Indies crowd would be baying for blood. They didn't want wickets but blood! Batters would fear for their well being when facing Holding Garner Roberts and co. It was cricketing version of Roman gladiator battles.

 

[Coronis]

I don't think cricket every had the gladiator stadium type of environment we saw in the mid 70s with crowds chanting kill kill and Thommo saying he likes blood on the pitch.

If folks can't recognize that as new and pretend there wasn't a Victorian influence before that, they are wrong.

iirc there was a massive pitch riot in Sydney in 1879 in a match between NSW and England and players and umpires were attacked