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Jasprit Bumrah vs Joel Garner

Who is the better test bowler?

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Arachnödouche2.0

State Vice-Captain
The manner in which Bumrah is picking up wickets is qualitatively as good as anything I've seen. Someone much smarter than me should calculate the percentage of gifts he's benefited from, subjective though that criteria may seem. I suspect it will be among the lowest ever.
 
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Randomfan

U19 Vice-Captain
Bowling avg in different venues during Garner's career: Taking top 6 countries. If you round off NZ stats then all countries are in 30-34 range.

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Bowling avg in different venues during Bumrah's career : Taking top 7 countries - SA is an outlier( which you really don't need stats to figure out) otherwise all other venues falls in the same range as 30-34.

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That's why when you take out SA during Bumrah's time - Aggregate avg of these venues : 31.74 runs per wicket
Just to put it in perspective , if you see aggregate avg during Garner's time in listed venues : 32.10 runs per wicket

SA is the one venue which pull avg down by one run. If you add SA then aggregate avg of bowlers: 31.11 per wicket.

I tried to stick to top 6-7 teams beacause back then SL was only true minnow and now we have bunch of them.

My Take away - Unless you play lots of games in SA( which mostly SA bowlers will do due to home grounds), you don't really going to have much advanatge of playing in current era because all venues are tighly packed in 30-34 range just like Garner's era.
 
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Randomfan

U19 Vice-Captain
Top 4 batting units based on avg during Garner's time:

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Top 4 batting units based on avg during Bumrah's time:

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Aus batting during looks slightly weaker during Garner's time, but here is Garner's output in mathes involving top 4 batting sides in 30 tests.

Garner's career avg was 20.97 and against better batting sides it jumps to 23.21

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Here is Bumrah's output inmatches involving top 4 batting sides in 33 tests and counting.

Bumrah's career avg is 19.48 and against better batting sides it jumps to 21.30

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I have not seen any cricket of older era and raw stats may miss something. But so far no raw stats shows that we should adjust Bumrah's avg higher when comparing from older era. .
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
Randomfan said:
Top 4 batting units based on avg during Garner's time:

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Top 4 batting units based on avg during Bumrah's time:

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Aus batting during looks slightly weaker during Garner's time, but here is Garner's output in mathes involving top 4 batting sides in 30 tests.

Garner's career avg was 20.97 and against better batting sides it jumps to 23.21

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Here is Bumrah's output inmatches involving top 4 batting sides in 33 tests and counting.

Bumrah's career avg is 19.48 and against better batting sides it jumps to 21.30

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I have not seen any cricket of older era and raw stats may miss something. But so far no raw stats shows that we should adjust Bumrah's avg higher when comparing from older era. .
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Why are you using 2016, when Bumrah didn’t start playing until 2018?
 
ankitj

ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Just see this:

How valuable is that wicket!

Added Bumrah, Cummins, Anderson and Rabada (and refreshed Steyn because he played well past the date I last updated this) # Bowler Wickets Bowling Avg Avg value of wicket Discount Factor 1 Jasprit Bumrah 215 19.49 30.41 64.1% 2 Sydney Barnes 189 16.43 25.02 65.7% 3 George...
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Average of batsmen that Bumrah dismisses is comparable to those that Marshall, McGrath, Ambrose dismiss and much better than Garner. Era adjustment doesn't matter because Bumrah plays most of his games against top 4.
 
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DrWolverine

DrWolverine

International Captain
ankitj said:
Just see this:

How valuable is that wicket!

Added Bumrah, Cummins, Anderson and Rabada (and refreshed Steyn because he played well past the date I last updated this) # Bowler Wickets Bowling Avg Avg value of wicket Discount Factor 1 Jasprit Bumrah 215 19.49 30.41 64.1% 2 Sydney Barnes 189 16.43 25.02 65.7% 3 George...
www.cricketweb.net

Average of batsmen that Bumrah dismisses is comfortable to those that Marshall, McGrath, Ambrose dismiss and much better than Garner. Era adjustment doesn't matter because Bumrah plays most of his games against top 4.
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Top 3 are Bumrah, Barnes & Lohman.
 
ankitj

ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Howstat used to have breakdown of a bowler's wickets by top, middle and lower order. Does anyone know where to find that for Bumrah and Garner?
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
ankitj said:
Howstat used to have breakdown of a bowler's wickets by top, middle and lower order. Does anyone know where to find that for Bumrah and Garner?
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Still does. Bumrah isn’t listed on any of the highest percentage pages, nor on total wicket pages since he hasn’t taken enough, so I manually calculated from statsguru.

Garner 85 (32.82%) 87 (33.59%) 87 (33.59%)
Bumrah 68 (31.34%) 86 (39.63%) 63 (29.03%)
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
Thala_0710 said:
Wasim has the highest (35%) of tail wickets amongst the top pacers iirc. Garner's 33.6% is also quite high.
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Closest bloke to having a perfect spread I think. Pretty impressive considering he had the new ball for less than half his career and who he was bowling behind.
 
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