Scyld Berry 30 greatest test fast bowlers

[h_hurricane]

Wow you really like Anderson enough to select him twice. Can I suggest Waqar or Pollock for one of those places?

Once you cross 20 years in international cricket, you can be counted twice.

 

[subshakerz]

No it wouldn't make a difference, as most of their opinions would most likely be mindless. If you ask a typical modern cricketer about who is/was the best player they played with, that'd be the first time they'd think about the question. My hypothesis.

I think in locker rooms they likely discuss this stuff all the time. Heck their entire prep is based on analysing the difficulties in facing players.

 

[subshakerz]

You shouldn't assume the same record, he'd have to play West Indies twice as much if not more, with three full 5 match tours, a very different career structure.

Bro don't be pedantic. I am saying if he had the Anglo press behind him like a player like Botham had with the same record he would be rated higher.

 

[Johan]

Bro don't be pedantic. I am saying if he had the Anglo press behind him like a player like Botham had with the same record he would be rated higher.

Maybe but then you'd have everyone on the forum swearing to god he's anglo propaganda and overrated so his reputation here would go down, being English tax.

 

[sayon basak]

I think in locker rooms they likely discuss this stuff all the time. Heck their entire prep is based on analysing the difficulties in facing players.

They talk more about IPL, trust me.

 

[kyear2]

Where would you rank Hadlee based on peer rep in his era?

Seems to be behind Lillee, Marshall, Imran and Holding.

Marshall, Lillee, Hadlee, Imran / Holding.

 

[kyear2]

What I feel like is that players nowadays do not give enough time to form an opinion about their peers. If you asked a player today about the top 5 cricketers they played with or against, they'll most likely name 5 famous players (like Virat Kohli, MS Dhoni etc.)

Yes, today's cricketers are borderline ignorant.

The borderline was to be polite.

 

[subshakerz]

Marshall, Lillee, Hadlee, Imran / Holding.

Hadlee doesn't get referenced as a player in ATG XIs or peer groups as much as Imran, you know that.

 

[peterhrt]

had Fred been alive when the book was made, that'd be one more guaranteed Fred vote.

Trueman picked his team before he died in 2006. He didn't select himself. His fast bowler was Lindwall, supported by Barnes, Bedser, Sobers and Hammond.

In addition to Adcock, Bradman, Kirmani, Abdul Qadir and Lance Gibbs also chose themselves.

 

[Johan]

Trueman picked his team before he died in 2006. He didn't select himself. His fast bowler was Lindwall, supported by Barnes, Bedser, Sobers and Hammond.

In addition to Adcock, Bradman, Kirmani, Abdul Qadir and Lance Gibbs also chose themselves.

Bradman is justified, Qadir and Kirmani might be a little deluded

 

[subshakerz]

Maybe but then you'd have everyone on the forum swearing to god he's anglo propaganda and overrated so his reputation here would go down, being English tax.

Doubt it given that without his rep he is already no.3 on this forum. If he had a great rep on top of that he would push for no.1.

 

[kyear2]

Hadlee doesn't get referenced as a player in ATG XIs or peer groups as much as Imran, you know that.

Are we talking bowler or cricketer.

Peer rating had Hadlee higher as a bowler, lower as a cricketer, I'm sure you know this.

 

[kyear2]

Bradman is justified, Qadir and Kirmani might be a little deluded

Might?

 

[Johan]

Doubt it given that without his rep he is already no.3 on this forum. If he had a great rep on top of that he would push for no.1.

but he's English, you'd have Trundler and PC make an excuse for why he isn't top ten.

 

[Coronis]

Bradman is justified, Qadir and Kirmani might be a little deluded

I mean, I do like the confidence in your own skills to pick yourself, for a hypothetical XI at least. Kirmani deluded? I’d have to see his XI but iirc he was regarded pretty highly as a gloveman and was a lock for India before Gilchrist came and made batting look more important.

 

[Johan]

I mean, I do like the confidence in your own skills to pick yourself, for a hypothetical XI at least. Kirmani deluded? I’d have to see his XI but iirc he was regarded pretty highly as a gloveman and was a lock for India before Gilchrist came and made batting look more important.

I love how you didn't even try to defend Qadir

 

[kyear2]

Doubt it given that without his rep he is already no.3 on this forum. If he had a great rep on top of that he would push for no.1.

So you're saying the one and only reason Hadlee wasn't seen as the best was because he wasn't English.

Yet before him it was Lillee and during his career it was the skinny black kid from Barbados, who played for the reviled WI pace attack.

 

[kyear2]

I love how you didn't even try to defend Qadir

 

[Coronis]

Single peer rating isn't as reliable. Peer consensus is.

@kyear2 @subshakerz thoughts on Lillee (who made 54 teams, by far the most) vs McGrath (8) or Ambrose (4)?

 

[Coronis]

Compton went from being rated as one of the absolute greatest to ever hold a bat, to a Mahela Jayawerdene level Batsman, Statsguru gen is definitely kinder to Holding than that.

What about Lillee being literally THE greatest pacer ever to where he is now?