Johan
Hall of Fame Member
my guy, that's the least outrageous thing here, brother has Qadir over Holding.
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Scyld Berry 30 greatest test fast bowlers
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BoyBrumby
Englishman
I mean, I imagine they're both transliterations into latin script, so probably the same name as originally written.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
>rates Johnson higher as a bowler than Donald and Waqar
Scyld Berry's 40 best cricketers of last 40 years - find out who is number one here
This summer marks 40 years since the Telegraph's cricket correspondent Scyld Berry started covering the sport.www.telegraph.co.uk
Sycld Berry's top 40 Cricketers of last 40 years
1. Viv Richards
2. Imran Khan
3. Shane Warne
4. Malcolm Marshall
5. Ian Botham
6. Sachin Tendulkar
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Jacques Kallis
9. Brian Lara
10. Wasim Akram
11. Ricky Ponting
12. Virender Sehwag
13. Muttiah Muralitharan
14. Curtly Ambrose
15. Dale Steyn
16. Dennis Lillee
17. Allan Border
18. Kapil Dev
19. Glenn McGrath
20. Kumar Sangakkara
21. Richard Hadlee
22. Waqar Younis
23. Graham Gooch
24. Sunil Gavaskar
25. Allan Donald
26. Rahul Dravid
27. Shaun Pollock
28. Kevin Peitersen
29. Mitchell Johnson
30. Graeme Smith
31. Geoffrey Boycott
32. Sanath Jayasuriya
33. Younus Khan (I'm not joking, that's how it's written on Telegraph)
34. Anil Kumble
35. Courtney Walsh
36. Martin Crowe
37. Steve Waugh
38. Andrew Flintoff
39. Andy Flower
40. Abdul Qadir
>Donald and Waqar are ranked higher
Donald and Waqar are better for their batting imo
sayon basak
International Coach
Yeah, came from Yonah/Jonah.
Kenneth Viljoen
International Regular
I also found his reasoning for not picking Kapil Dev kinda lame , "Kapil Dev was a medium pacer towards the end of his career" , well so was McGrath, Pollock , Hadlee etc but you still put them on the list
I know the family a bit. Scyld is a wonderful writer and journalist but a) he's long had a soft spot for India and Indian cricketers (he met his wife on tour there in the 1980s); b) like many writers, he rates narrative and moments of "heroism" over statistical accomplishment; c) he tends to see more cricket in England and India. Everything has its biases, but once you appreciate he is a writer and not a statistician, enjoy the writing.
the big bambino
Cricketer Of The Year
I never thought much of his opinion or writing and this list doesn't change that.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Interesting how his cricketer list contradicts his bowler list. Like he has Donald over Pollock here and Johnson is much lower.Scyld Berry's 40 best cricketers of last 40 years - find out who is number one here
This summer marks 40 years since the Telegraph's cricket correspondent Scyld Berry started covering the sport.
Sycld Berry's top 40 Cricketers of last 40 years
1. Viv Richards
2. Imran Khan
3. Shane Warne
4. Malcolm Marshall
5. Ian Botham
6. Sachin Tendulkar
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Jacques Kallis
9. Brian Lara
10. Wasim Akram
11. Ricky Ponting
12. Virender Sehwag
13. Muttiah Muralitharan
14. Curtly Ambrose
15. Dale Steyn
16. Dennis Lillee
17. Allan Border
18. Kapil Dev
19. Glenn McGrath
20. Kumar Sangakkara
21. Richard Hadlee
22. Waqar Younis
23. Graham Gooch
24. Sunil Gavaskar
25. Allan Donald
26. Rahul Dravid
27. Shaun Pollock
28. Kevin Peitersen
29. Mitchell Johnson
30. Graeme Smith
31. Geoffrey Boycott
32. Sanath Jayasuriya
33. Younus Khan (I'm not joking, that's how it's written on Telegraph)
34. Anil Kumble
35. Courtney Walsh
36. Martin Crowe
37. Steve Waugh
38. Andrew Flintoff
39. Andy Flower
40. Abdul Qadir
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
time tbf, he made the bowler one in 2025 and the Cricketer one in 2017, though I like my explaination more.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
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Thala_0710
International Captain
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Ashwin now that he's retired would have been perfect imo. He has that proper great cricketing brain.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
There are sound commercial reasons for having a current player at number one. It reinforces the message that the game is better than ever and it is worth buying a subscription or placing an advert.
Twenty years ago there was a concerted campaign in certain publications to position Warne and Tendulkar as greatest-ever bowler and batsman. There was no longer much money to be made from endless repetition of old stuff about Barnes and Bradman.
Thala_0710
International Captain
He's planning to write a book himself on the 50 greatest bowlers of all time. I asked him about it and he said he wouldn't be considering this list at all there and has some really poor takes.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
You a Kimber friend?
Thala_0710
International Captain
Not his friend, but have communicated with him some times
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How often does he visit CW?
Thala_0710
International Captain
He's seen all our lists but doesn't visit here often
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
This isn't going to be a popular answer, but yeah.
Top 10 definitely, and this isn't my opinion, but no one ranked him when he played or even well after his retirement as highly as he's rated here, where he's generally around 3rd.
The first tip off is that he literally never makes any all time teams. Even from layers of his era, he's always missing. And it seems he was rated more highly as an all rounder than as a bowler, and even then behind Imran and Botham.
I've gone though a ton of lists, articles, interviews, a lot of reading, asked former players. From his era alone he's behind Marshall and Lillee, even from the subsequent era his trails behind Ambrose, McGrath and Wasim.
I can say for sure, but it could be a little like Sunny where he's seen as a "fair weather" operator, and that's reflected a little in the comments for this article.
A few other reasons have popped up, but not from enough sources to definitively make any assumptions.
Again for me he's still 3rd, but definely not in the same tier as the top 2 and not in the GOAT debate, that for me is between the aforementioned two, if you want to include Barnes and possibly for some, the two spinners.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
I don’t need to hear Ashwin after his retirement thanks.
Just like answered general questions through email or some other format I presume?