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[Johan]

Don't know really. Also averages 30 with the bat.

the quintessential bits and pieces player.

 

[ataraxia]

hand on your heart tell me Daniel "averages 40 against non minnows" Vettori is better than Michael Atherton

That's Daniel "better than Lillee and Trueman" Vettori you're denigrating.

 

[Johan]

I will be lenient with your pfp for this

 

[capt_Luffy]

the quintessential bits and pieces player.

He truly was, but he was the epitome of it

 

[Johan]

That's Daniel "better than Lillee and Trueman" Vettori you're denigrating.

I didn't know the Cartels got to Kiwiland.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I'll do my top and bottom 10:-
Top 10:
1. Tendulkar
2. McGrath
3. Lara
4. Warne
5. Murali
6. Smith
7. Richards
8. Kallis
9. Akram
10. Gavaskar


Bottom 10:
1. Bairstow
2. Dimuth
3. Boucher
4. Ishant
5. Hooper
6. Strauss
7. Jayasuriya
8. Bell
9. Fleming
10. Harbhajan

Good effort. Comments:

Kallis is way too low considering he also took almost 300 wickets and was an elite slip fielder. Otherwise, pretty good although Fleming and Harbhajan were both better than Atherton.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

The worst player to play 100 tests is Ian Healy, the specialist fielder.

 

[Johan]

The worst player to play 100 tests is Ian Healy, the specialist fielder.

Boucher was worse by that logic

 

[Fuller Pilch]

hand on your heart tell me Daniel "averages 40 against non minnows" Vettori is better than Michael Atherton

He wasn't far behind Atherton with the bat! Averaged 40 for about 8 years and was a better batsman than Flintoff.

Vettori is one of only 3 players along with Kapil and Botham to have 4,000 runs and 300 wickets.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'll do my top and bottom 10:-
Top 10:
1. Tendulkar
2. McGrath
3. Lara
4. Warne
5. Murali
6. Smith
7. Richards
8. Kallis
9. Akram
10. Gavaskar


Bottom 10:
1. Bairstow
2. Dimuth
3. Boucher
4. Ishant
5. Hooper
6. Strauss
7. Jayasuriya
8. Bell
9. Fleming
10. Harbhajan

Think a bit harsh on Boucher. Was a really good keep to pacers and averaged 30

 

[Johan]

Think a bit harsh on Boucher. Was a really good keep to pacers and averaged 30

Average at best.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Think a bit harsh on Boucher. Was a really good keep to pacers and averaged 30

Yeah, should be about 6th or 7th (worse).

 

[Johan]

He wasn't far behind Atherton with the bat! Averaged 40 for about 8 years and was a better batsman than Flintoff.

Vettori is one of only 3 players along with Kapil and Botham to have 4,000 runs and 300 wickets.

I didn't know the Cartels got to Kiwiland.

 

[Thala_0710]

Good effort. Comments:

Kallis is way too low considering he also took almost 300 wickets and was an elite slip fielder. Otherwise, pretty good although Fleming and Harbhajan were both better than Atherton.

Fair enough. I myself struggle with how to properly rate Kallis but I find his bowling a bit overrated sometimes. Yes he took 300 wkts but he also has the second worst WPM of all guys with 150+ wkts iirc. His record isn't that good either upon removing the weaker opponents, especially considering he bowled on some helpful home wickets. He definitely was elite in the slips though, which is why I have him ahead of guys like Akram, Gavaskar who beat him on the primary skill comfortably.
Athers was slightly better than Fleming imo. As for Harbhajan, don't really think much to separate him from Athers but I just don't like Harbhajan so put him in there.

 

[Johan]

Hammond is a better player than Tendulkar and Viv btw

 

[Thala_0710]

Think a bit harsh on Boucher. Was a really good keep to pacers and averaged 30

I think he was good to pacers but quite inept against spin. I just never rated his keeping as high as others do

 

[Thala_0710]

Hammond is a better player than Tendulkar and Viv btw

No

 

[Johan]

No

Maybe Viv being a competent captain and an ATG fielder pulls it in his favour idk

 

[Thala_0710]

Maybe Viv being a competent captain and an ATG fielder pulls it in his favour idk

Being a simply superior bat does. Hammond is about level with Kallis for me

 

[Johan]

Being a simply superior bat does. Hammond is about level with Kallis for me

he is a clearly better bat