Best team of these four?

[Fuller Pilch]

All four of these teams are exciting to watch, yet have major flaws. SA and NZ have achieved the most, but which is the best?

 

[Coronis]

All four of these teams are exciting to watch, yet have major flaws. SA and NZ have achieved the most, but which is the best?

At this very moment? South Africa, England, New Zealand, India

 

[Silver Silva]

England because of their style of play you can never count them out and are so intimidating..

Bazball only weakness seems to be on spinning tracks

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Interesting result:

Combined XI

Duckett
Jaiswal
Williamson
Root
Brook
Bavuma (edited)
Pant
Henry
Maharaj
Bumrah
Rabada

England 3
India 3
SA 3
NZ 2

 

[Johan]

Interesting result:

Combined XI

Duckett
Jaiswal
Williamson
Root
Brook
Pant
Phillips/Washington/Mulder?
Henry
Maharaj
Bumrah
Rabada

England 3
India 3.33
NZ 2.33
SA 2.33

surely Stokes

 

[Fuller Pilch]

England because of their style of play you can never count them out and are so intimidating..

Bazball only weakness seems to be on spinning tracks

And against nasty express pace. Will O'Rourke 8 overs, 3 for 33 in the 3rd test last year doesn't look like much, but it was brutal. Their players couldn't get behind the ball. In the Ashes Australia should get someone faster and nastier than Hazelwood/Boland to attack on a hard length. Bully the bullies.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

surely Stokes

Nah. Hasn't done enough. Decided Bavuma instead. Root 5th bowler and Brook 6th.

 

[Johan]

Nah. Hasn't done enough. Decided Bavuma instead. Root 5th bowler and Brook 6th.

Bavuma is not a better player than Stokes.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

It's still India for me in terms of talent , but Gambhir does not seem to know how to get the best out of his players in Tests

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Bavuma is not a better player than Stokes.

Of course he is.
He is averaging 57 as captain.
Since the start of 2021 he has averaged 49.77, while Stokes has averaged 31.37.
Also as captain, Bavuma has 9 wins and 1 draw from 10 tests.

Daryl Mitchell is also better than Stokes, but can't look past Bavuma's captaincy record.

 

[Johan]

Of course he is.
He is averaging 57 as captain.
Since the start of 2021 he has averaged 49.77, while Stokes has averaged 31.37.
Also as captain, Bavuma has 9 wins and 1 draw from 10 tests.

Daryl Mitchell is also better than Stokes, but can't look past Bavuma's captaincy record.

I didn't know we were cutting careers down to comvineant portions and comparing Bavuma's peak to Stokes's post-COVID decline, my bad

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I didn't know we were cutting careers down to comvineant portions and comparing Bavuma's peak to Stokes's post-COVID decline, my bad

I'm picking a current team. Otherwise Jadeja and Jamieson would make it.

 

[Johan]

I'm picking a current team. Otherwise Jadeja would make it.

makes sense then

 

[GIMH]

One thing is for sure, they're all better than Australia

 

[Coronis]

Bavuma is not a better player than Stokes.

He’s a better captain

 

[Johan]

He’s a better captain

How do you quantify that

 

[Coronis]

How do you quantify that

Dragging up a dead in the water South African test side that was at their lowest point in almost 30 years to winning the WTC is pretty quantifiable. Certainly more so than “saving test cricket”. I don’t often hear this mentioned much either when it comes to captaincy, but I do believe a large part of it is leading from the front. Stokes has also somewhat done this, but Bavuma has stepped up and shouldered a huge load - and lets not forget his batting in the final where he could barely walk - and performed brilliantly.

 

[Johan]

Dragging up a dead in the water South African test side that was at their lowest point in almost 30 years to winning the WTC is pretty quantifiable. Certainly more so than “saving test cricket”. I don’t often hear this mentioned much either when it comes to captaincy, but I do believe a large part of it is leading from the front. Stokes has also somewhat done this, but Bavuma has stepped up and shouldered a huge load - and lets not forget his batting in the final where he could barely walk - and performed brilliantly.

Agreed that Bavuma is a great captain but saving Test Cricket isn't Stokes' duty

 

[Coronis]

Agreed that Bavuma is a great captain but saving Test Cricket isn't Stokes' duty

No. But that’s his only claim to greatness as a captain.

 

[Johan]

No. But that’s his only claim to greatness as a captain.

not taking a team from 1 off 20 to performing and winning games consistently?