Ian Botham vs Greg Chappell

[Thala_0710]

Bret's nicknames were better, "The Hitman" worked regardless of age/look, "excellence of execution" was also great unless he started being trash in the ring (which never happened).

Hart, Michaels, Angle matches were really great almost always. "Excellence of execution" could have really been shared between the 3 if they wanted to

 

[Johan]

Hart, Michaels, Angle matches were really great almost always. "Excellence of execution" could have really been shared between the 3 if they wanted to

Yeah, Summerslam 1992 from Bret is the wrestling equivalent of the Lara 153.

 

[Johan]

Returning to topic, Botham is better than Greg.

 

[Coronis]

Returning to topic, Botham is better than Greig.

Yep

 

[Thala_0710]

Yeah, Summerslam 1992 from Bret is the wrestling equivalent of the Lara 153.

The Taker matches from WM 25-28 with HBK and Hunter, equivalent of the 2005 ashes?

 

[Thala_0710]

Returning to topic, Botham is better than Greg.

Nope

 

[Johan]

Nope

why not

 

[Thala_0710]

why not

He's just not. Greg is an ATG batsman, top 15 arguably. Botham's batting can't cover the big gap in primary

 

[Johan]

He's just not. Greg is an ATG batsman, top 15 arguably. Botham's batting can't cover the big gap in primary

Botham would realistically win you more games though

 

[Thala_0710]

Botham would realistically win you more games though

Any ATG Bowler/Bowling AR would

 

[Johan]

Any ATG Bowler/Bowling AR would

If Botham is winning you more games, and is higher in AR list than Greg in Bats, what makes Greg better

 

[sayon basak]

If Botham is winning you more games, and is higher in AR list than Greg in Bats, what makes Greg better

Bowling.

 

[Thala_0710]

If Botham is winning you more games, and is higher in AR list than Greg in Bats, what makes Greg better

This holds true for Kapil, Jadeja, Benaud etc. as well. All of them aren't better than Greg either but

 

[sayon basak]

This holds true for Kapil, Jadeja, Benaud etc. as well. All of them aren't better than Greg either but

None of them are as good as Botham.

 

[Johan]

This holds true for Kapil, Jadeja, Benaud etc. as well. All of them aren't better than Greg either but

This is the thing bruh, AR vs Specialist comparisons are stupider than bowler vs bats comparisons, atleast with bowlers vs bats you have to keep two disciplines in account and you can compare the standing and so forth, that isn't with AR vs Specialists, some are obvious like Stokes vs Root where Root is clearly better and influences more games, but when one is an ATG AR but not ATG in either primary discipline, and the other is an ATG specialist and they are not far from each other, it becomes tricky as hell.

 

[Thala_0710]

This is the thing bruh, AR vs Specialist comparisons are stupider than bowler vs bats comparisons, atleast with bowlers vs bats you have to keep two disciplines in account and you can compare the standing and so forth, that isn't with AR vs Specialists, some are obvious like Stokes vs Root where Root is clearly better and influences more games, but when one is an ATG AR but not ATG in either primary discipline, and the other is an ATG specialist and they are not far from each other, it becomes tricky as hell.

That's why it basically comes down to preference. It's tough to objectively say whether the value being provided by an ATG AR is higher than an ATG specialist substantially ahead in primary

 

[Johan]

That's why it basically comes down to preference. It's tough to objectively say whether the value being provided by an ATG AR is higher than an ATG specialist substantially ahead in primary

unless you do a total career analysis, I don't think you can conclude it, and nobody has the time for prior.

 

[Coronis]

Chappell’s bowling underrated imo.

 

[ma1978]

he will say it

anyway, 88 matches in (one more than Greg played)

4,809 @ 35.36, 63.3 SR, 34.3 RPI, 14 hundreds and 1 double hundred.
366 @ 27.05, 54.2 SR, 4.1 WPM, 27 fifers and 4 tenfers.

this is precisely why I consider Botham an inner circle ATG and totally underrated on this forum. Only slightly behind Imran.

also the same logic why I rate Tendulkar ahead of any other batsman behind Bradman because if you take out the last irrelevant bits of his career he’s statistically jnprralleled

 

[Johan]

also the same logic why I rate Tendulkar ahead of any other batsman behind Bradman because if you take out the last irrelevant bits of his career he’s statistically jnprralleled

eh if you take out Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, he'd have statistical parallels.