Ian Botham vs Greg Chappell

[Thala_0710]

@Thala_0710 how does this thread show you're right though?

It doesn't. But I'm petty and wanted to show I'm winning

 

[Johan]

I'm not sure tbh, I would probably say no, I don't rate Compton as an ATG with his away record, and Chappell is arguably top 15 of all time

Their away record is identical, barring one year when Compton had surgery and was badly injured in Australia, he averaged 46 in Australia and 49 in West Indies, for reference, Chappell averages 40 in England and 48 in West Indies.

 

[Johan]

It doesn't. But I'm petty and wanted to show I'm winning

I lost faith in democracy after a pedophile convicted felon got elected the president of the United States tbh

 

[sayon basak]

Their away record is identical, barring one year when Compton had surgery and was badly injured in Australia, he averaged 46 in Australia and 49 in West Indies, for reference, Chappell averages 40 in England and 48 in West Indies.

Yeah, he is better than his away numbers. But I don't think I completely eliminate the rest where he had bad time for his injury.

 

[Thala_0710]

Look at the poll question.

It's close ofc

 

[Johan]

Yeah, he is better than his away numbers. But I don't think I completely eliminate the rest where he had bad time for his injury.

You should eliminate between his knee blowing up in May 1950 and him getting better in early 1951, it's a pretty clear outlier from the rest of his career and if you check his biography and newspapers from the time you'd learn it was well known why.

 

[Thala_0710]

Their away record is identical, barring one year when Compton had surgery and was badly injured in Australia, he averaged 46 in Australia and 49 in West Indies, for reference, Chappell averages 40 in England and 48 in West Indies.

It's not identical, even without the 50/51 season. Chappell was great in Nz too and pretty good in Pak etc. Meanwhile Compton was poor in SA against a not so good attack

 

[sayon basak]

You should eliminate between his knee blowing up in May 1950 and him getting better in early 1951

I'm not gonna take them at face value, but I'm not gonna completely eliminate them either. And I don't rate Chappell away from home as low as you do. Include WSC, don't think they are very close.

 

[Johan]

It's not identical, even without the 50/51 season. Chappell was great in Nz too and pretty good in Pak etc. Meanwhile Compton was poor in SA against a not so good attack

Compton toured South Africa once at his peak and averaged 50+ and then once at the end of his career when he was 40+, and faced Adcock/Tayfield/Heine/Goddard on minefields, not that it excuses it but puts it in context in comparison to Chappell who never went to South Africa. Chappell's Pakistan record is worthless considering he only scored on the flattest wicket ever against a not so competitive team.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I’d say Compton was the English Harvey. Both are better than their raw stats.

 

[Johan]

I'm not gonna take them at face value, but I'm not gonna completely eliminate them either. And I don't rate Chappell away from home as low as you do. Include WSC, don't think they are very close.

Like I said, you should, there's no reason to count it to his legacy/record when it's such an obvious huge outlier, like are we seriously counting runs to downgrade a batsman from a time where he was limping around?

If you're gonna include WSC, I will include Denis's CC career and tour games record, that would not go well.

 

[Coronis]

Their away record is identical, barring one year when Compton had surgery and was badly injured in Australia, he averaged 46 in Australia and 49 in West Indies, for reference, Chappell averages 40 in England and 48 in West Indies.

Johan dreams about Compton and his knee late at night.

 

[Johan]

Johan dreams about Compton and his knee late at night.

If I had ever met him, maybe, he isn't as attractive as I had thought he was but maybe I'm just looking at old images. Miller was more attractive truth be told.

 

[sayon basak]

Like I said, you should, there's no reason to count it to his legacy/record when it's such an obvious huge outlier, like are we seriously counting runs to downgrade a batsman from a time where he was limping around?
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If you're gonna include WSC, I will include Denis's CC career and tour games record, that would not go well.

Weekes or Compton?

 

[Johan]

Weekes or Compton?

very close, I have Barrington in the same tier, Compton by a little bit as he managed a much longer career, Weekes retired at 32 as he wasn't able to bounce back from his injuries while Compton was able to

 

[Coronis]

If I had ever met him, maybe, he isn't as attractive as I had thought he was but maybe I'm just looking at old images. Miller was more attractive truth be told.

But Compton was the Brylcreem boy!

 

[Johan]

But Compton was the Brylcreem boy!

lame nickname for someone in their 30s imo, same energy as when people kept calling Shawn Michaels "se-xy boy" and "the heartbreak kid" when he was in his 40s.

 

[Thala_0710]

lame nickname for someone in their 30s imo, same energy as when people kept calling Shawn Michaels "se-xy boy" and "the heartbreak kid" when he was in his 40s.

Hbk was still good icl

 

[Johan]

Hbk was still good icl

Bret's nicknames were better, "The Hitman" worked regardless of age/look, "excellence of execution" was also great unless he started being trash in the ring (which never happened).

 

[capt_Luffy]

Without WSC, Compton has a better away record than Greg