*Official* WTC FINAL Australia vs South Africa 2025

[GoodAreasShane]

Incorrect

Again, misunderstanding how bad he is.It doesn't take much to get an upgrade

The whole point is I don't accept that assertion in the first place, no matter how many times you try to repeat it. I am not saying Marnus has been actively good (he of all people would probably be the most disappointed in his output), merely that his performance has been passable considering the circumstances, and to make out like he has been an unmitigated disaster as you have repeatedly been attempting is not a statement with any factual statistcal basis


It's the whole grass is greener fallacy at it's absolute worst

 

[TheJediBrah]

The whole point is I don't accept that assertion in the first place

I know you don't, that's exactly what I'm saying

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I know you don't, that's exactly what I'm saying

You can say it as many times as you damn well please, doesn't make your statement any less incorrect though

 

[Gob]

International quality test batsmen who are also not pushing 35 are rare in Test cricket. Australia have two of them and it amazes me how some blokes keep thinking it would be a good idea to get rid of one of them to Konstas and Inglis lol

I mean if this was 2005, Marnus would have been dropped a year ago. Damien Martyn was dropped on the back of a single poor series where he copped some terrible decisions after probably being the best batsman in the world a year before but times have changed

 

[honestbharani]

International quality test batsmen who are also not pushing 35 are rare in Test cricket. Australia have two of them and it amazes me how some blokes keep thinking it would be a good idea to get rid of one of them to Konstas and Inglis lol

I mean if this was 2005, Marnus would have been dropped a year ago. Damien Martyn was dropped on the back of a single poor series where he copped some terrible decisions after probably being the best batsman in the world a year before but times have changed

And I still think Hayden should have been dropped before Martyn even then. Pretty sure I posted to that effect in these very forums.

 

[TheJediBrah]

You can say it as many times as you damn well please, doesn't make your statement any less incorrect though

TJB: "you think x, I think you are wrong"
GAS: "but I think x"
TJB: "yes I know, I'm saying I don't think x"
GAS: "but I think x though"

 

[Nintendo]

International quality test batsmen who are also not pushing 35 are rare in Test cricket. Australia have two of them and it amazes me how some blokes keep thinking it would be a good idea to get rid of one of them to Konstas and Inglis lol

I mean if this was 2005, Marnus would have been dropped a year ago. Damien Martyn was dropped on the back of a single poor series where he copped some terrible decisions after probably being the best batsman in the world a year before but times have changed

Another thing to account for is just the difference in conditions. 2005 was right in the middle of one of the easiest batting era's ever. Pitches where flatter today, the average test bowler was worse and had less tools, etc. Martyn averages 4 more than someone like travis head (46.4 vs 42.75), but a big part of that is just the difference of conditions they played in. Australia have way more than two international quality batsmen (Smith, Marnus, Head and Usman are all international quality bat by any metric).

 

[Burgey]

Do I need to intervene here?

 

[Gob]

And I still think Hayden should have been dropped before Martyn even then. Pretty sure I posted to that effect in these very forums.

The ton at the oval saved him I think but agree Hayden was struggling for runs since the 04/05 home season

 

[honestbharani]

Do I need to intervene here?

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Is this goatse? @Daemon to confirm.

 

[TheJediBrah]

International quality test batsmen who are also not pushing 35 are rare in Test cricket. Australia have two of them and it amazes me how some blokes keep thinking it would be a good idea to get rid of one of them to Konstas and Inglis lol

I mean if this was 2005, Marnus would have been dropped a year ago. Damien Martyn was dropped on the back of a single poor series where he copped some terrible decisions after probably being the best batsman in the world a year before but times have changed

Marnus has only just averaged over 30 for the 2 years. He's not that good anymore. You're blinded by the past. And he looked all at sea in his county games over the last few weeks, which I doubt you saw. He's not in the best XI.

I have very little faith in Konstas. Or Inglis in these conditions. But they are absolutely more likely to succeed than Marnus.

 

[Gob]

Another thing to account for is just the difference in conditions. 2005 was right in the middle of one of the easiest batting era's ever. Pitches where flatter today, the average test bowler was worse and had less tools, etc. Martyn averages 4 more than someone like travis head (46.4 vs 42.75), but a big part of that is just the difference of conditions they played in. Australia have way more than two international quality batsmen (Smith, Marnus, Head and Usman are all international quality bat by any metric).

Think you missed the part where I mentioned 'International quality batsmen who aren't pushing 35. I do think that steve smith is an international quality batsman lol

I agree about the general point re mid 00s but not the one on Martyn as his best came in SL against peak Murali and in India against Kumble/Harby. Those were not easy runs at all

 

[TheJediBrah]

Think you missed the part where I mentioned 'International quality batsmen who aren't pushing 35. I do think that steve smith is an international quality batsman lol

I agree about the general point re mid 00s but not the one on Martyn as his best came in SL against peak Murali and in India against Kumble/Harby. Those were not easy runs at all

Martyn wasn't a flat-track bully at all

Ironic bringing him up here because Marnus is one (or was). Built his record on those insanely flat home tracks in the early 2020s (not to mention getting dropped a miraculous amount of times). If this was 2005 Marnus wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Test side with a sub-40 Shield average. One of the luckiest batsmen ever to be handed a career. His peak was the 2019 Ashes where he actually made some hard runs in important situations but since then his whole career has been a downhill ski

 

[Nintendo]

Think you missed the part where I mentioned 'International quality batsmen who aren't pushing 35. I do think that steve smith is an international quality batsman lol

I agree about the general point re mid 00s but not the one on Martyn as his best came in SL against peak Murali and in India against Kumble/Harby. Those were not easy runs at all

Yeah missed the pushing 35 part. In context, what you've said makes sense. My bad completely.

 

[Gob]

Marnus has only just averaged over 30 for the 2 years. He's not that good anymore. You're blinded by the past. And he looked all at sea in his county games over the last few weeks, which I doubt you saw. He's not in the best XI.

I have very little faith in Konstas. Or Inglis in these conditions. But they are absolutely more likely to succeed than Marnus.

Well they aren't but nothing I say here would convince you that would it?

Ftr without Marnus, they weren't winning the 2nd test in NZ or the boxing day test in the BGT which means no series wins in either. Or you can go a little further back to Nottingham and the Ashes would be gone too. He has been contributing

 

[TheJediBrah]

Ftr without Marnus, they weren't winning the 2nd test in NZ or the boxing day test in the BGT which means no series wins in either. Or you can go a little further back to Nottingham and the Ashes would be gone too. He has been contributing

That's awful logic. You can't just look at his best contributions as proof that he's been valuable. You could do the opposite when he failed

 

[Gob]

That's awful logic. You can't just look at his best contributions as proof that he's been valuable. You could do the opposite when he failed

What I'm saying is that Inglis and Konstas would not have made those contributions. Marnus averages what? 30 for the last 18 months? Had Inglish batted at 3 and faced the same conditions, he would have averaged 20. Konstas not much better

 

[Coronis]

I think they should keep Marnus for WTC final. If he doesn’t perform, drop him for the Ashes.

TJB: "you think x, I think you are wrong"
GAS: "but I think x"
TJB: "yes I know, I'm saying I don't think x"
GAS: "but I think x though"

Debating at its finest from both parties.

 

[TheJediBrah]

What I'm saying is that Inglis and Konstas would not have made those contributions. Marnus averages what? 30 for the last 18 months? Had Inglish batted at 3 and faced the same conditions, he would have averaged 20. Konstas not much better

All that matters is who's more likely to perform in this game, and it's not Marnus (yeah I said it again, sue me)

 

[TheJediBrah]

Meanwhile apparently Glenn Maxwell has retired from ODIs