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Barry Richards and Dennis Lillee vs Sunil Gavaskar and Fred Trueman

Barry/Lillee vs Sunny/Freddie

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sayon basak

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
capt_Luffy said:
As I said, I don't think the Caribbean's bowled full length deliveries the whole Series upto that point. I am all for bowling short stuff and bouncers, but beamers is where I draw the line. It's good to intimidate the batter, it's not to try to make him retire hurt.
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Bowling beamers is fun. They made a whole sport out of it.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
Johan said:
Fred Trueman was quicker than Dennis Lillee btw
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Lillee clocked 154.8 kph in the 1976 study.

Trueman could be faster.
iamdavid said:
This is relevant to the "Thommo reckons he can bowl at 180kph" thread.



In front of me I have the Inside Edge magazine from October 2001, there is a very interesting article on this, I'll quote it...

"Could it be possible that Jeff Thompson's world record of 160.5km/h was broken 40 years before if was set? If mythology is to be believed then the English pace kings, Larwood, Tyson and Trueman were faster again. If Thommo can be trusted, then he bowled much quicker than 160 anyway.

One of the many beauties of cricket is its unchangeability. One of these is that the distance between popping creases has remained unchanged for over a century - 22 yards.
It got us thinking, could a comparison of bowling speeds be made between eras using archival footage of the bowler in stride and at the moment of delivery? Surely by timing the ball from the moment it left the hand to the moment it arrived at the batsman we could obtain an approximate figure.

So given that VHS video works reliably at 25 frames per second, we adapted the sample to kilometres per hour and applied it to the many fast bowlers from different eras of whom action footage still exists.
From the movies we obtained, both Fred Trueman and Frank Tyson were found to bowl at 10 frames, putting them as high at 159.12km/h with an average of 152.63. While Thommo and Ray Lindwall were clocked at 11 frames putting their peaks in the low 150's with an average of 139. Keith Miller and Wes Hall were throwing them down in 12 dazzling frames at an average of 127.3 but the variant between venom was high with each."

They then go on to claim later in the article that "most of Frank Tyson's deliveries on the 1954-55 tour of Australia were too fast for Inside Edge to time".

Interesting, I dont buy into the exact figures being correct, as things like the drag from the old no-ball rule (thus some of the bowlers having a slightly shorter distance to cover), the quality of the footage and other factors would make it extremely difficult to be exact. But in general I think their claims are pretty close to the mark.

Interesting that Trueman appears to have been so sharp, I know he was quick but his name dosent often come up in "quickest ever" debates.
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Johan

Johan

International Coach
sayon basak said:
Lillee clocked 154.8 kph in the 1976 study.

Trueman could be faster.
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Hutton's autobigraphy talks about how in 1951-52 the Indian bats barely even wanted to face Trueman, he was so quick that they were terrified to the point of not even attempting stokes and just hiding
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Stumps without a Batsman is insane.
 
Johan

Johan

International Coach
Patience and Accuracy+Gut said:
At their peak??? Lillee was very very fast as well.

Trueman 1952 vs Lillee 1971. Could go either way but if I had to bet, I would bet on Lillee being quicker.
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Lol, I don't have a hard opinion on this but I think they were about the same speed as each other, Trueman remained very quick until 1961/62 while Lillee until his devastating back injury.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
Lol, I don't have a hard opinion on this but I think they were about the same speed as each other, Trueman remained very quick until 1961/62 while Lillee until his devastating back injury.
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Which is amusing since it was the very beginning of his career.
 
DrWolverine

DrWolverine

International Vice-Captain
Johan said:
Yes, The Australians can beg for apology all they want, Douglas Jardine never apologized, Harold Larwood never apologized and it's not like Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson ever apologized to England after 1974-75, it's also not like Michael Holding apologized to Geoffrey Boycott.
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So every wrong thing that happened in the past is justified? Does it apply to only sports or life in general?
 
Johan

Johan

International Coach
DrWolverine said:
So every wrong thing that happened in the past is justified? Does it apply to only sports or life in general?
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I don't think there was much wrong with Bodyline, but anyway, Australia later this year can abuse short pitched fast bowling and injure half the English bats and nobody would care, It's just the sport.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
I think there’s a difference between intimidatory bowling and deliberately bowling with the intent of causing injury. But perhaps that’s just me.
 
DrWolverine

DrWolverine

International Vice-Captain
Johan said:
I don't think there was much wrong with Bodyline, but anyway, Australia later this year can abuse short pitched fast bowling and injure half the English bats and nobody would care, It's just the sport.
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If you want to bowl fast to intimidate batsmen to get them out, that’s fine.

If you want to bowl bouncers and beamers to injure the batsmen, that is wrong. Just my opinion
 
X

Xix2565

International Regular
Again, just tell me if you want more people to end up like Phil Hughes. It's okay to admit you don't mind people dying on field.
 
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