Brian Lara vs Sunil Gavaskar (Away from home)

[Johan]

I guess seven games are not enough...

 

[DrWolverine]

also, I said "critics" as in both Holding and Lillee have questioned Sunny's ability on fast pitches,

That is so silly.

Sunny scored 5 centuries against him.

 

[Johan]

That is so silly.

Sunny scored 5 centuries against him.

Holding thought he was a fairweather batter, safe to say he didn't rate him.

 

[subshakerz]

against those bowlers

Steyn (56)
McGrath (42)
Shoaib (41)
Pollock (39)
Donald (32)
2 Ws (30)

fast bowlers, Ambrose I represented my problem with earlier. Overall his output against great bowlers is decent but not too dissimilar to the output that Lara had against most of the crew, and that was my point that in one way or another, the output against top level attacks is similar.

Ambrose is still a 5 test series, can't be ignored as a sample. Still bottomline good otherwise please ignore all of Sobers great series at home.

 

[capt_Luffy]

"Unofficial" Tests, and you've agreed the 1970 England series and 71 Australia is directly translateable to Tests.

70 Eng more and it was Gavaskar's 3rd Series overall.

against those bowlers

Steyn (56)
McGrath (42)
Shoaib (41)
Pollock (39)
Donald (32)
2 Ws (30)

fast bowlers, Ambrose I represented my problem with earlier. Overall his output against great bowlers is decent but not too dissimilar to the output that Lara had against most of the crew, and that was my point that in one way or another, the output against top level attacks is similar.

He played 5 games against the Ws aged 16 and in context his record to McGrath is quite Great

 

[DrWolverine]

Gavaskar scored centuries against Jeff Thomson, Sylvester Clarke, Malcolm Marshall, Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Imran Khan, pre-1980s Ian Botham.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Holding thought he was a fairweather batter, safe to say he didn't rate him.

Which btw, you also agreed was a bit silly assessment.

 

[Johan]

70 Eng more and it was Gavaskar's 3rd Series overall.

That's alright, It was Lillee's second.

He played 5 games against the Ws aged 16 and in context his record to McGrath is quite Great

I only took late 90s-early 2000s variant, You really think you can catch me slacking?

 

[subshakerz]

He played 5 games against the Ws aged 16 and in context his record to McGrath is quite Great

It's really strange seeing nitpicks like this because Tendulkar legit played those bowlers very well and his 99 and 2001 series helped to cement his reputation and now it's being called decent.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's really strange seeing nitpicks like this because Tendulkar legit played those bowlers very well and his 99 and 2001 series helped to cement his reputation and now it's being called decent.

Also played a legit top tier ATG innings in one of the other 2 matches...... Only Donald among these is a fair criticism and that too he had a very Good ton in each of his 3 match SA tours

 

[subshakerz]

Also played a legit top tier ATG innings in one of the other 2 matches...... Only Donald among these is a fair criticism and that too he had a very Good ton in each of his 3 match SA tours

Not to mention a very class 97 scored in the 2000 series at home.

 

[Johan]

against those bowlers

Steyn (56)
McGrath (42)
Shoaib (41)
Pollock (39)
Donald (32)
2 Ws (30)

fast bowlers, Ambrose I represented my problem with earlier. Overall his output against great bowlers is decent but not too dissimilar to the output that Lara had against most of the crew, and that was my point that in one way or another, the output against top level attacks is similar.

compared to some of the other ATG bats for reference, Here is Root

Bumrah (57)
Rabada (45)
Cummins (39) [.73]
Hazlewood (50)
Philander (52)

for Smith

Rabada (39)
Bumrah (38)
Philander (41)
Anderson (53)
Steyn (50)

 

[capt_Luffy]

That's alright, It was Lillee's second.


I only took late 90s-early 2000s variant, You really think you can catch me slacking?

Then isn't that average over 2 matches even Worse representation of the true story?

And yeah, it was Lillee's 2nd and he did Good. Bravo.

 

[capt_Luffy]

compared to some of the other ATG bats for reference, Here is Root

Bumrah (57)
Rabada (45)
Cummins (39) [.73]
Hazlewood (50)
Philander (52)

for Smith

Rabada (39)
Bumrah (38)
Philander (41)
Anderson (53)
Steyn (50)

The only motif behind these stats is to make Root look better than Smith vs ATG bowlers......

 

[Johan]

Then isn't that average over 2 matches even Worse representation of the true story?

And yeah, it was Lillee's 2nd and he did Good. Bravo.

it's over 6 innings, and that was my point, He made his runs as follows

0
136
6
29
0
9

same thing as the Donald games, a few diamonds, and tons of rocks.

 

[capt_Luffy]

it's over 6 innings, and that was my point, He made his runs as follows

0
136
6
29
0
9

same thing as the Donald games, a few diamonds, and tons of rocks.

3 matches and a legit top 50 innings. Will take it over two pretty tons of 3 50s/5 40s of no quality.

 

[Johan]

The only motif behind these stats is to make Root look better than Smith vs ATG bowlers......

 

[Johan]

3 matches and a legit top 50 innings. Will take it over two pretty tons of 3 50s/5 40s of no quality.

Both things can be true simultaneously.

 

[DrWolverine]

Holding thought he was a fairweather batter, safe to say he didn't rate him.

Then Holding is an idiot.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Both things can be true simultaneously.

Can be. But there's one I will rate significantly higher than the other.