Brian Lara vs Sunil Gavaskar (Away from home)

[Johan]

Yeah except those top pacers troubled Lara far more.

because Lara is an inferior Batsman

 

[subshakerz]

I would still take Lara's away record slightly over Gavaskars. Slightly better in England, Aus. SA basically is roughly Gavaskars WI record.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I would still take Lara's away record slightly over Gavaskars. Slightly better in England, Aus. SA basically is roughly Gavaskars WI record.

Disagree. 71 and 76 very two legit near ATG Series.

 

[subshakerz]

Disagree. 71 and 76 very two legit near ATG Series.

Mixed with ordinary ones.

 

[Johan]

688 in 6

 

[capt_Luffy]

Mixed with ordinary ones.

You meant a single mid tour in 1983?? So two near ATG Series and one mid.

 

[Johan]

One ATG tour, one great series, one mid series.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I would definitely go for lara overall but I don't really see how lara's record in australia is better than Gavaskar's . He crossed fifty only 4 times in 27 innings after his first tour there. He may have faced tougher attacks and got some real howlers from umpires there but it's just a far patchier run of scores.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I would definitely go for lara overall but I don't really see how lara's record in australia is better than Gavaskar's . He crossed fifty only 4 times in 27 innings after his first tour there. He may have faced tougher attacks and got some real howlers from umpires there but it's just a far patchier run of scores.

Okay, if you don't rate Lara higher in Australia, then based on what do you definitely rate him higher overall away?

 

[OverratedSanity]

It is ridiculous to say this guy wasn’t good. He scored centuries against the best, meanest and fastest of bowlers and that too as an opener.

Sunil Gavaskar’s centuries :

1. 1976 - Andy Roberts & Michael Holding
2. 1976 - Michael Holding
3. 1976 - Richard Hadlee
4. 1978 - Imran Khan
5. 1978 - Imran Khan
6. 1980 - Imran Khan
7. 1983 - Imran Khan
8. 1983 - Roberts, Holding, Marshall & Garner
9. 1983 - Marshall & Holding
10. 1983 - Marshall & Holding

Also:
1. 1974 - Bob Willis
2. 1977 - Bob Willis
3. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
4. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
5. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
6. 1978 - Sylvester Clarke
7. 1978 - Sylvester Clarke & young Marshall
8. 1978 - Sylvester Clarke
9. 1978 - Sylvester Clarke
10. 1979 - Bob Willis & Ian Botham
11. 1981 - Ian Botham
12. 1985 - Craig McDermott

Bruce Reid played in the 85 series too

 

[capt_Luffy]

Bruce Reid played in the 85 series too

Merv Hughes as well.

 

[Johan]

I would definitely go for lara overall but I don't really see how lara's record in australia is better than Gavaskar's . He crossed fifty only 4 times in 27 innings after his first tour there. He may have faced tougher attacks and got some real howlers from umpires there but it's just a far patchier run of scores.

more memorable hundreds and he performed better against McGrath in Australia than Gavaskar did against Lillee in Australia, that's mostly my reasoning for Lara over Sunny in Australia. Lara's lack of consistency is certainly a problem and I do not think either were great in Australia.

 

[capt_Luffy]

more memorable hundreds and he performed better against McGrath in Australia than Gavaskar did against Lillee in Australia, that's mostly my reasoning for Lara over Sunny in Australia

Is a bad Series of 3 games enough to override the two other Great Series and overall much more consistency though??

(Btw I also think Lara>Gavaskar in Australia)

 

[Johan]

Is a bad Series of 3 games enough to override the two other Great Series and overall much more consistency though??

(Btw I also think Lara>Gavaskar in Australia)

I take the world XI series of Australia as Test matches, same as the 2000s World XI game in Australia, so from my perspective Sunny averages 43 in Australia while Lara 42, and Lara faced better attacks on average and I'd take his 132 Perth, 182 Adeliade or his 200 in 2005 over any of Sunny's knocks in Australia personally. I personally take marquee performances as a metric that is just as valid as averages in places where the sample size is low.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I take the world XI series of Australia as Test matches, same as the 2000s World XI game in Australia, so from my perspective Sunny averages 43 in Australia while Lara 42, and Lara faced better attacks on average and I'd take his 132 Perth, 182 Adeliade or his 200 in 2005 over any of Sunny's knocks in Australia personally. I personally take marquee performances as a metric that is just as valid as averages in places where the sample size is low.

Sunny's two Thomson tons in Perth were top quality, and the World XI Series imo don't belong in a Test only comparison.

 

[Johan]

Sunny's two Thomson tons in Perth were top quality, and the World XI Series imo don't belong in a Test only comparison.

Test only comparisons kind of have to be specified, I think generally even FC matters for Pre 1980s Cricketers let alone something like the World XI unofficial tests, and I definitely think the World XI serieses in 1970 and 71 are very much applicable. Those are quality tons but Lara's are better and arguably ATG tons imo, atleast the 2005 and 1997 ones are.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Test only comparisons kind of have to be specified, I think generally even FC matters for Pre 1980s Cricketers let alone something like the World XI unofficial tests, and I definitely think the World XI serieses in 1970 and 71 are very much applicable. Those are quality tons but Lara's are better and arguably ATG tons imo, atleast the 2005 and 1997 ones are.

I think when we are discussing two relatively modern players and one played just Tests away, that it being specific to Tests makes more sense. It's also about specifically away record, I thought it was Test specific really. I am not counting the 188 Gavaskar scored vs Marshall and Hadlee here as well in his English record.

 

[Johan]

I think when we are discussing two relatively modern players and one played just Tests away, that it being specific to Tests makes more sense. It's also about specifically away record, I thought it was Test specific really. I am not counting the 188 Gavaskar scored vs Marshall and Hadlee here as well in his English record.

I disagree, they're not the same era and shouldn't be held to the same standards, plus we count the world XI test for Lara in 2005. That's a county/domestic game, the world XI tours were against the international Australia side and were played under a similar condition as the 2005 ICC world XI.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I disagree, they're not the same era and shouldn't be held to the same standards, plus we count the world XI test for Lara in 2005. That's a county/domestic game, the world XI tours were against the international Australia side and were played under a similar condition as the 2005 ICC world XI.

But only one has Test status. That all counts in away record really.

 

[Johan]

But only one has Test status. That all counts in away record really.

Strong Disagree.