Alan Knott VS Adam Gilchrist

[Thala_0710]

I will give it a try for 15 players


The Locks"
Don Bradman
Gary Sobers
Adam Gilchrist

Mostly in, but there's an argument or competition
Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Sachin Tendulkar
Malcolm Marshall

Very Likely
Viv Richards
Glen McGrath
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne

Toss up (any of)
Sunil Gavaskar
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes
Imran Khan

The Locks"
Don Bradman
Gary Sobers

Mostly in, but there's an argument or competition
Malcolm Marshall
Jack Hobbs
Sachin Tendulkar
Adam Gilchrist

Very Likely
Len Hutton
Viv Richards
Glenn McGrath
Shane Warne

Toss up (or alternative)
Richard Hadlee
Sunil Gavaskar
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Brian Lara
Steve Smith
Alan Knott
Denis Lillee

 

[DrWolverine]

The legitimate AT World XI's that Marshall doesn't make.

Present them pls.

 

[DrWolverine]

I don’t understand how Adam Gilchrist isn’t a lock.

 

[DrWolverine]

The Locks"
Don Bradman
Gary Sobers

Mostly in, but there's an argument or competition
Malcolm Marshall
Jack Hobbs
Sachin Tendulkar
Adam Gilchrist

Very Likely
Len Hutton
Viv Richards
Glen McGrath
Shane Warne

Toss up (or alternative)
Richard Hadlee
Sunil Gavaskar
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Brian Lara
Steve Smith
Alan Knott
Denis Lillee

Except for this, I agree.

 

[Thala_0710]

I don’t understand how Adam Gilchrist isn’t a lock.

Because there is an argument to be made to select a better keeper who can bat well, or a better bat who can keep, or just the best keeper, or maybe even someone like Les Ames.
There is absolutely no argument to not having Bradman or Sobers.

 

[Thala_0710]

Putting Smith ahead of Bradman or Hammond ahead of Sobers is idiotic.
Putting Sanga or Knott ahead of Gilchrist isn't, even though I disagree with it.

 

[DrWolverine]

Because there is an argument to be made to select a better keeper who can bat well

A better keeper is possible.

A better keeper who is even remotely close to Gilly as a batsman is not possible.

A better bat who can keep,

There is only one and I am yet to see a single person pick Andy Flower. I am the only one who did it on this sub and even that was for fun.

Just the best keeper

99% of people want a WK who can bat well

Maybe even someone like Les Ames.

Never happened.

 

[DrWolverine]

Putting Sanga ahead of Gilchrist isn't, even

Sanga averages 40 as a WK batsman.
Not even sure he is a better keeper.
What logic is there in picking Sanga apart from stupidity?

 

[Thala_0710]

Sanga averages 40 as a WK batsman.
Not even sure he is a better keeper.
What logic is there in picking Sanga apart from stupidity?

The logic is that Sanga wasn't batting at 7 when he was a keeper like Gilly was, who had one of the best lineups ever ahead of him. Sanga batted at 3 even when he was keeping. And he wasn't keeping wickets in his batting peak, his numbers would be better if he did. He wouldn't avg 57 overall, but pretty sure it would be easily more than 40.

 

[Thala_0710]

I myself have Gilly ahead, but that's not a ridiculous argument.

 

[DrWolverine]

If I have to choose a WK batsman(without taking into consideration his keeping skills), I would even choose Pant over Sanga.

Pant has more match winning knocks, a higher strike rate and proved himself in away conditions more than Sanga.

 

[sayon basak]

Marshall is pretty much a lock in every team I have seen

 

[Thala_0710]

If I have to choose a WK batsman(without taking into consideration his keeping skills), I would even choose Pant over Sanga.

Pant has more match winning knocks, a higher strike rate and proved himself in away conditions more than Sanga.

Yeah but Sanga is obviously the better batsman, and the better keeper too

 

[DrWolverine]

Sanga the better batsman obviously.
Pant a better WK batsman.
I hope you can understand what I am saying.

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah but Sanga is obviously the better batsman, and the better keeper too

I don't think Sangakkara was the better keeper really. That's really the biggest reason Gilchrist is in the team not him.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The Locks"
Don Bradman
Gary Sobers

Mostly in, but there's an argument or competition
Malcolm Marshall
Jack Hobbs
Sachin Tendulkar
Adam Gilchrist

Very Likely
Len Hutton
Viv Richards
Glenn McGrath
Shane Warne

Toss up (or alternative)
Richard Hadlee
Sunil Gavaskar
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Brian Lara
Steve Smith
Alan Knott
Denis Lillee

Hadlee should in "Very Likely". Agreed with the rest.

 

[kyear2]

Gilchrist is really as much of a lock as anyone bar Bradman and Sobers.

This is where opinions seem to override facts.

There's been all of two legitimately credible collaborative efforts, with standing Cricinfo and Wisden.

One of those he didn't make.

Even for the Cricinfo exercise, which he did make, there was an article questioning the judgement of not playing the best keeper.

Gooch, Willis, Boycott all goes with another option.

I'm '91 Swanton chose Evans over even Knott and Ames, doubt he was going the Gilchrist route.

He literally makes less of these exercises than Marshall and Tendulkar or Hobbs.

 

[DrWolverine]

I saw ATG list picked by former players in the Lord’s YouTube channel and this is the best among them.

 

[capt_Luffy]

This is where opinions seem to override facts.

There's been all of two legitimately credible collaborative efforts, with standing Cricinfo and Wisden.

One of those he didn't make.

Even for the Cricinfo exercise, which he did make, there was an article questioning the judgement of not playing the best keeper.

Gooch, Willis, Boycott all goes with another option.

I'm '91 Swanton chose Evans over even Knott and Ames, doubt he was going the Gilchrist route.

He literally makes less of these exercises than Marshall and Tendulkar or Hobbs.

Well, Marshall wasn't in Benaud's XI or both Tendulkar and Hobbs in Donald's. I didn't say he was more of a lock than Marshall or Hobbs or Sachin, I just said he definitely isn't less as well.