Sachin. Sobers. Smith.

[subshakerz]

Your argument is that better bowling is better. That's just a bit circular.

No. Pls follow.

- Rather than judging players on match results that are arbitrary, judge them on pressure faced when they perform

- Greater attacks consistently create more pressure

- Players who perform against greater attacks should be rated higher than those against medium attacks even if the latter lead to more wins

 

[akilana]

He scored 103 vs england in chennai chasing 387. Might not be atg but matchwinning. Has atg 136 at same ground vs wasim waqar and saqlain where he choked and india lost by 12 runs otherwise would have been there with lara 153*

He scored that hundred vs Eng after Sehwag destroyed the English attack. It’s a good innings but not ATG. The innings vs Pak is a great example of him choking and not leading the team to win.

 

[subshakerz]

He scored that hundred vs Eng after Sehwag destroyed the English attack. It’s a good innings but not ATG. The innings vs Pak is a great example of him choking and not leading the team to win.

Lol it's still a great innings.

 

[subshakerz]

His 114* at Perth is also a legit great innings too.

 

[DrWolverine]

His 111 @ Johannesburg is a great innings

 

[OverratedSanity]

His 146 vs SA is legit an ATG innings for me. Brought India to parity from a situation where it looked like we'd concede a 100 run lead and weathered one of the highest quality fast bowling spells from Steyn. Would've won India a historic series in SA if Dhoni hadn't chickened out and Kallis hadn't played a great knock himself. Basically would've been India's equivalent of Waugh's 200 if the result was different.

 

[Johan]

Ok Even I couldn't keep that up with a straight face.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I know his fans would find a good innings from him and hype it up as an ATG innings to counter this

Trying to pre emptively write off justified counters. Loser behaviour than would put Sachin to shame.

 

[sayon basak]

Ok Even I couldn't keep that up with a straight face.

Which one?

 

[Johan]

Which one?

Nothing, carry on.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ok Even I couldn't keep that up with a straight face.

No one takes your posts seriously anyway bud. Not since you one day decided to flip from viv nuthugger to viv hater. It's like watching a right wing grifter make a "why I left the left" video.

 

[Johan]

No one takes your posts seriously anyway bud. Not since you one day decided to flip from viv nuthugger to viv hater.

Ok. I get it, people can't change their views and must stay true to one opinion till time stops flowing. Though curious, you've been here for 12 years, have you never changed a single opinion?

 

[Johan]

He scored that hundred vs Eng after Sehwag destroyed the English attack. It’s a good innings but not ATG. The innings vs Pak is a great example of him choking and not leading the team to win.

This seems like one, they won, he didn't "choke", got MOTM and broke Warne in the process

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-india-1997-98-61431/india-vs-australia-1st-test-63794/full-scorecard

 

[subshakerz]

Ok. I get it, people can't change their views and must stay true to one opinion till time stops flowing. Though curious, you've been here for 12 years, have you never changed a single opinion?

I still try to take you seriously though your reversal isn't just on a players but the arguments you used.

Like you went from WSC is intl level gold to carnival cricket at the same time you went Viv hero to overrated hack lol.

I modify my views and it's good to do so but it's hard to keep track where you are, on offense.

 

[Johan]

I still try to take you seriously though your reversal isn't just on a players but the arguments you used.

Like you went from WSC is intl level gold to carnival cricket at the same time you went Viv hero to overrated hack lol.

I modify my views and it's good to do so but it's hard to keep track where you are, on offense.

Or perhaps the later's downgrading is somewhat intertwined with the prior's level being degraded in my eyes after reading multiple posts about it and reading into what the perception of it was?

Maybe opinions aren't generally 1-1 and my views on WSC going down also impacted Viv's standing considering (for me, anyway) WSC played a large part in his legacy?

Anyway, if anyone has confusion regarding my standings then I can just be asked.

 

[subshakerz]

Or perhaps the later's downgrading is somewhat intertwined with the prior's level being degraded in my eyes after reading multiple posts about it and reading into what the perception of it was?

Maybe opinions aren't generally 1-1 and my views on WSC going down also impacted Viv's standing considering (for me, anyway) WSC played a large part in his legacy?

Anyway, if anyone has confusion regarding my standings then I can just be asked.

Ok thanks for clarifying.

 

[subshakerz]

This seems like one, they won, he didn't "choke", got MOTM and broke Warne in the process

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-india-1997-98-61431/india-vs-australia-1st-test-63794/full-scorecard

It's up there. The perfectly planned innings.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Or perhaps the later's downgrading is somewhat intertwined with the prior's level being degraded in my eyes after reading multiple posts about it and reading into what the perception of it was?

Maybe opinions aren't generally 1-1 and my views on WSC going down also impacted Viv's standing considering (for me, anyway) WSC played a large part in his legacy?

Anyway, if anyone has confusion regarding my standings then I can just be asked.

The biggest feather to my "WSC was 70s IPL" Cap.

 

[Johan]

The biggest feather to my "WSC was 70s IPL" Cap.

and as this shows, my stances on Viv are not exactly unpopular, as always people like to make a mountain of out a molehill.

 

[Coronis]

This seems like one, they won, he didn't "choke", got MOTM and broke Warne in the process

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-india-1997-98-61431/india-vs-australia-1st-test-63794/full-scorecard

Losers choke winners woke