Nathon Lyon Vs Anil Kumble

[trundler]

What makes Kumble better than Herath?

 

[subshakerz]

What makes Kumble better than Herath?

Generally better rated and his Aus 2000s performances. He was just better on flat wickets IMO

 

[BazBall21]

Herath's away record is even worse IIRC.

 

[reyrey]

Kumble would average 45 if he played his home games in Australia.

Kumble averaged 37.73 in Australia against the best Test team ever. He'd be playing mostly against far worse batting line ups (England) if he played home games in Aus.

 

[Coronis]

Kumble averaged 37.73 in Australia against the best Test team ever. He'd be playing mostly against far worse batting line ups (England) if he played home games in Aus.

Or you know, Kumble against that Indian lineup

 

[reyrey]

Or you know, Kumble against that Indian lineup

He wouldn't be playing India much, maybe 15% of his home games would be against India. He'd also be bowling alongside world class pace bowlers and not Nehra and Sreesanth. Half the time the only thing Kumble would be required to do is bowl a few overs before lunch/tea and clean up the tail.

 

[Coronis]

He wouldn't be playing India much, maybe 15% of his home games would be against India. He'd also be bowling alongside other world class pace bowlers and not Nehra and Sreesanth. Half the time the only thing Kumble would be required to do is bowl a few overs before lunch/tea and clean up the tail.

Yeah cos thats what Warne did

 

[reyrey]

Yeah cos thats what Warne did

Yes

Shane Warne, tail wickets 37.1% Top order 23%

Stuart MacGill, tail wickets 40.4% Top order 20.7%

Anil Kumble, tail wickets 32.5% Top order 27.9%

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kumble vs Lyon is fine ig, but saying Kumble will average 45 in Australia after having an ATG and a Great series there is pretty funny ngl.

 

[trundler]

If we're pulling numbers out of thin air and suggestion Lyon would average more than ****ing Vettori and Harbhajan then it's not a stretch.

 

[Migara]

Kumble would average 45 if he played his home games in Australia.

I don't think he wouldn't have slowed down if it was the case. He bowled in 100 - 110k speed in his younger days, and his flipper was very much 120k stuff. 1992 - 1996 period he was frighteningly brisk through air. Somehow in late 90s he decided to change his MO (may be due to an injury), from there onwards he was not the awkward man to face. (I think he tried to add a googly to his repertoire, which needed getting more side on) If he played most of his matches on pitches where turn has no effect - unless you can spin it a mile - he would have persisted with how he bowled in his first SAF tour. Change of pace, change of length, wicket to wicket and let pitch do the rest. SAF batsmen commented that they have not seen anything awkward like Kumble to face.

 

[Migara]

He wouldn't be playing India much, maybe 15% of his home games would be against India. He'd also be bowling alongside other world class pace bowlers and not Nehra and Sreesanth. Half the time the only thing Kumble would be required to do is bowl a few overs before lunch/tea and clean up the tail.

And to his credit, he was the one who troubled Tendulkar, Azhar and Sidhu the most in Ranji games. And not to mention Lara in tests.

 

[DrWolverine]

Lyon

 

[vidiq]

@vidiq So you rate Kumble ahead of Waqar, and then Lyon ahead of Kumble?

Absolute cinema.

Yes bro.Although raw stats of waqar looks way better than other 2 on paper.

 

[subshakerz]

Plenty of things in Lyons favour. He bowls after some seriously good pacers. He bowls in the DRS era. He bowls in a weak era for batsman, especially players of spin.

Kumble would look ridiculously good had he been playing the last decade or so

Lyon had very good players of spin the first half of his career.

DRS definitely helped but we shouldn't demerit that for him but bonus that for Kumble.

As for pace support I'm not sure he benefits the degree we think. He gets less wickettaking opportunities when conditions are good for bowlers.

 

[reyrey]

Lyon had very good players of spin the first half of his career.

DRS definitely helped but we shouldn't demerit that for him but bonus that for Kumble.

As for pace support I'm not sure he benefits the degree we think. He gets less wickettaking opportunities when conditions are good for bowlers.

My DRS point only demerited bowling averages, not the bowlers. I actually think Lyon is underrated based on other factors.

Having good pace bowlers to play alongside also means a spinner is less likely to be coming in to bowl at a pair of set batsman

 

[subshakerz]

Having good pace bowlers to play alongside also means a spinner is less likely to be coming in to bowl at a pair of set batsman

Also cuts into the share of wickets they get in total.

 

[Johan]

Kumble averaged 37.73 in Australia against the best Test team ever. He'd be playing mostly against far worse batting line ups (England) if he played home games in Aus.

he averages 41 against England in spin friendlier conditions anyway

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Kumble was slightly better than MacGill who was slightly better than Lyon

 

[Migara]

Kumble was slightly better than MacGill who was slightly better than Lyon

Lyon is better than McGill. Latter was rank horrific against good players of spin