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Brian lara vs steve smith

Who is better batsmen


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Johan

International Coach
At some point opposition should be wary of the immovable object becoming the unstoppable force.
Yeah, that happens when Hutton wants it to happen, IE, When he thinks the match situation deems to be aggressive, same thing Smith does.

No I can set that standard because it's my ranking and I make my own assessments watching cricket and I want my top bats to have the opposition on the backfoot.
You can, it's just inconsistent, and there's no reason to have Sachin over Viv if you value dominance that much
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
1. He accelerated when he wanted to, his peers agreed to that.

2. Yeah it's just because he's English, nothing to do with having compareable or greater output while having to face the greatest bowling attack ever assembled for 28% of your opening innings.
1. I want him to accelerate as a matter of course. Not when he is in the mood like Kallis.

2. You yourself admitted your shining for England cricketers in these close cases.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, that happens when Hutton wants it to happen, IE, When he thinks the match situation deems to be aggressive, same thing Smith does.
No, Smith puts the accelerator pretty much most times once he is set.

You can, it's just inconsistent, and there's no reason to have Sachin over Viv if you value dominance that much
I don't value it that much compared to longevity, etc, its just a quality I believe the top tier need as a prerequisite and a tiebreaker between bats of close quality and record.
 

Johan

International Coach
1. I want him to accelerate as a matter of course. Not when he is in the mood like Kallis.

2. You yourself admitted your shining for England cricketers in these close cases.
1. that's silly, the job of a Batter is to play to the match situation.

2. Duh, I'd play along and not pretend I don't have any biases for English players, same way you do for Pakistan or Coronis for Australian, that doesn't change the fact that Greenidge is statistically comparable to a guy not even close to elites.
 

Johan

International Coach
No, Smith puts the accelerator pretty much most times once he is set.
No, he doesn't, he's the slowest of the fab 4 along Williamson

I don't value it that much compared to longevity, etc, its just a quality I believe the top tier need as a prerequisite and a tiebreaker between bats of close quality and record.
Hutton has the quality, you're just critiquing it because he deemed slower batting more necessary to the match situation most of the time.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
1. that's silly, the job of a Batter is to play to the match situation.
Batsmen also set up match situations, and that means dictating the pace.

2. Duh, I'd play along and not pretend I don't have any biases for English players, same way you do for Pakistan or Coronis for Australian, that doesn't change the fact that Greenidge is statistically comparable to a guy not even close to elites.
I don't consider Greenidge an elite, that was just an example, nor do I think I have a Pakistan bias frankly that would affect how I rank cricketers.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
No, he doesn't, he's the slowest of the fab 4 along Williamson
Only relatively but he still scores at a healthy pace. He can't be considered a conservative bat by any stretch.

Hutton has the quality, you're just critiquing it because he deemed slower batting more necessary to the match situation most of the time.
That quality, like I said, is a general batting standard and not an option.

Hutton overall was not an aggressive bat.
 

Johan

International Coach
Batsmen also set up match situations, and that means dictating the pace.
You can't really, you can slap a bowler around, but if you make 60 runs in 10 overs or 60 runs in 20 overs, it's not gonna change anything..

I don't consider Greenidge an elite, that was just an example, nor do I think I have a Pakistan bias frankly that would affect how I rank cricketers.
... Yeah, right. There's a reason 90% of openers are defensive and frankly, your critique might work with Boycott or Sutcliffe, it straight up doesn't work with Hutton.
 

Johan

International Coach
Only relatively but he still scores at a healthy pace. He can't be considered a conservative bat by any stretch.
By current standards? he is, very much, a conservative Batsman. Head dominates way more than him for one.

That quality, like I said, is a general batting standard and not an option.

Hutton overall was not an aggressive bat.
why would you make aggressive batting your standard when the defensive option is a lot more favourable to the team?
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You can't really, you can slap a bowler around, but if you make 60 runs in 10 overs or 60 runs in 20 overs, it's not gonna change anything..
Totally disagree. I guess you believing that explains why you underestimate this point.

... Yeah, right. There's a reason 90% of openers are defensive and frankly, your critique might work with Boycott or Sutcliffe, it straight up doesn't work with Hutton.
Yeah right, can't applies for the guy with an SR in the 30s.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
By current standards? he is, very much, a conservative Batsman. Head dominates way more than him for one.
Head is an outlier he has a SR of nearly 70. Look at Smith especially during his series in his peak he scored quite speedily. And he isn't slow today, I consider him an aggressive bat overall.

why would you make aggressive batting your standard when the defensive option is a lot more favourable to the team?
It isn't. Defensiveness is contextual, aggressiveness is the otherwise preferred option. Yes to an extent for openers it can be allowed to be slower but I still prefer dominant bats.
 

Johan

International Coach
Head is an outlier he has a SR of nearly 70. Look at Smith especially during his series in his peak he scored quite speedily. And he isn't slow today, I consider him an aggressive bat overall.
other than 2019 Ashes, he's a cautious batsman through and through, watch 2017 BGT and Ashes and you'd notice that.

It isn't. Defensiveness is contextual, aggressiveness is the otherwise preferred option. Yes to an extent for openers it can be allowed to be slower but I still prefer dominant bats.
It's not too an extent, arguably, outside of Asia, it's better for your opener to be slow and spend more time on the crease.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
other than 2019 Ashes, he's a cautious batsman through and through, watch 2017 BGT and Ashes and you'd notice that.
Lol looks like you literally just went through his peak series and picked the two major outlier examples and ignored the host of other ones where he is freely scoring.

It's not too an extent, arguably, outside of Asia, it's better for your opener to be slow and spend more time on the crease.
For your opener, yes. But across the board? No.
 

Johan

International Coach
Not really if you want to win more games.
Yes really, I'd want my best batsman to be logical and consistent under preassure in a 4th inning chase, rather than getting out playing an unnecessary shot. This isn't just my view, this is something Sutcliffe and Hammond themselves told Hutton and Compton respectively.

And Hutton was behind them and known as conservative. Why run away from it?
conservative, by choice, as I said way back, nothing to do with skill level.
 

Johan

International Coach
Lol looks like you literally just went through his peak series and picked the two major outlier examples and ignored the host of other ones where he is freely scoring.
That's literally two of his three highest scoring serieses brother, but even in Ashes 2015, he was notably slower than his English counterpart in Root.

For your opener, yes. But across the board? No.
.......... that's just you agreeing with me then, Hutton is an opener, thus him batting slow is logical and favourable to the team.
 

vidiq

State Regular
Since 2020 whenever Smith scores century His initial 10-25 comes at very High strike rates (around 100 sr)
Examples - 2021 BGT sydney century, sydney 2022 century vs sa , lords Ashes 23 century .
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes really, I'd want my best batsman to be logical and consistent under preassure in a 4th inning chase, rather than getting out playing an unnecessary shot. This isn't just my view, this is something Sutcliffe and Hammond themselves told Hutton and Compton respectively.
Majority of the time you want bats who can set up games by quick scoring when set and putting opposition on the backfoot. Even in chases this approach often can be helpful depending on the pitch and opposition.

conservative, by choice, as I said way back, nothing to do with skill level.
I prefer bats who make more daring choices lol.
 

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